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Keegan Allen (Actor, Pretty Little Liars)

Published on Mon, 3 Sep 2018 10:00:00 +0000

This week, host Stephen Pulvirent and HODINKEE Senior Writer James Stacey sit down with actor Keegan Allen. Keegan will be a familiar face to regular HODINKEE readers, since he was featured in an episode of Talking Watches a few months ago. Beyond his love of watches and his career as an actor, Keegan is an avid photographer, musician, podcast host, and poet. The guy does it all. If you want a reminder of the joy that things like watches, music, photography, and more can bring on a personal level, just listen and I think you'll pick it up pretty quickly. Enjoy.

Synopsis

In this episode of Hodinkee Radio, host Stephen Pulvirent and senior writer James Stacy sit down with actor, photographer, and musician Keegan Allen in Los Angeles for a wide-ranging conversation about watches, photography, and passion collecting. Keegan, who previously appeared on the popular Talking Watches series, addresses some viewer comments from that episode, particularly defending his practice of wearing watches while sleeping to hear their mechanical sounds and clarifying the story behind his uncle's Mickey Mouse watch.

The conversation explores Keegan's deep appreciation for watches as companions that travel through time and accumulate personal memories. He discusses his grail watch—the Patek Philippe 5164A Aquanaut Travel Time—and reflects on how finally acquiring it accelerated rather than diminished his passion for collecting. The group examines various GMT watches, including Keegan's vintage Rolex 1675 'Blueberry' GMT and the new Tudor Black Bay GMT that James is wearing. They discuss the current state of the Rolex market, particularly the difficulty of obtaining popular steel sports models like the new stainless steel GMT-Master II 'Pepsi' and the elusive Daytona, while also touching on more extravagant pieces like the Rainbow Daytona.

Keegan also shares insights about his photography work, particularly his recent book 'Hollywood,' which documents his hometown through street photography shot primarily on disposable cameras and Leica film cameras. He explains how these tools create a timeless aesthetic and force viewers to make eye contact with subjects, fostering empathy and human connection. The discussion touches on how both watches and cameras serve as companions that push people to experience the world more fully, with each scratch and memory adding meaning to these objects. The episode concludes with cultural recommendations, including Keegan's suggestion to visit Harper's Ferry, Virginia, James's endorsement of the 'All Fantasy Everything' podcast, and Stephen's recommendation of the film 'The Devil Wears Prada.'

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Unknown The idea of the slash is a pretty worn-out Hollywood trope, but Keegan Allen is legitimately an actor, slash, photographer, slash musician, slash, I don't know, all-around awesome dude. Keegan's one of those people who gets super excited. And whether you cared about them or not beforehand, you cannot help yourself once he gets going. Senior writer James Stacy and I sat down with Keegan in Los Angeles, and you'll probably be able to hear it, but I had a big stupid grin on my face the entire time we were talking. I'm your host Stephen Pulverant, and this is Hodinky Radio. This week's episode is brought to you by Tudor. Stay tuned later in the show for a look at the Heritage Blackbait Chrono, a new take on one of Tutor's most iconic watches. You can also learn more at TutorWatch.com. All right, thanks so much for joining us, Keegan. It's good to have you here today. Thank you so much. And uh we've also got uh our man James Stacy here. Hi everyone from Vancouver. Mm-hmm. Uh I think last time we saw each other was recording Talking Watches, wasn't it? Yes. I I did a talking watches episode and it was outstanding. But there's a couple things I need to clarify now after reading through the comments because some people some people took a lot of what I said a little bit too far. Okay. And I wanna I wanna just say one thing. So my Mickey Mouse watch that my uncle gave me after he passed away. Okay. So I can't go and ask him except in if a seance if there's a seance of some sort that I can reach out past that uh realm. But I do I mean a lot of people are like, oh, that's the same thing that's said in national treasure or in the Da Vinci code or something, uh of not taking yourself too seriously. Like he wears a Mickey Mouse watch or he wears some sort of a watch. And I'm like, I'm like, oh my god, maybe that's maybe it was like his own thing that he got from that movie. But I have no way of asking him. So just right off the bat, don't never knew about that. Cause I I just didn't even know. And uh and when I was looking through the comments, I I just was like, why have people hung up on that? Like, move to the next thing. Um, but uh but but it I wanna also say that it was so fun and I loved it and it made it gave me a new appreciation for my watches that I have. And uh yeah, and I'm wearing uh I'm wearing one of the watches in that which uh which one are you wearing? I'm wearing a 1675 blueberry on the Hidinky aged uh leather strap. That's one of my favorite straps we make. It's so beautiful and uh It's an incredible watch. Yeah, yeah, and it goes so well with this the stainless steel on the back. And I'm not trying to plug Hidinky. Honestly, like I got this and I love it. And I was and Ben brought up last time. There's not enough people under 30 that wear leather straps anymore. They just don't. In fact, when I wear this, I'm just like, wow, it's actually really cool. And uh my friends were like, oh, but what if you jump in the ocean or what if you jump because I go swimming all the time, or what if you go and you wanna go to the gym? I go, uh, you take it off. And you're a man and you just take it off. Or you're a woman and you just take it off. Like just just utilize the watch for what it is. Obviously, stainless steel has a different you know, there's a different thing. It's a different thing. Yeah. Um I'm the only jerk here not wearing a GMT today. Oh yeah, that's right. But it's I mean, you're you're bringing something to the party. It's all right. I'm not not upset about it, but uh you're wearing the Rolex GMT and James is wearing the Tutor Black Bay GT
Unknown . Mm-hmm. Which is good. I'm liking it a lot Yeah? Yeah, I have to give it back to you before uh I head home. Oh that's sure you do. You do. Tutor will eventu
Unknown ally need it back. I'll miss it. It's a cool piece. And you're doing that write up on it that's coming soon on or will have already been out at this point. Probably. But definitely go check it out. We talked about how there are some things that you love about it and some things that, you know, are just part of what part of the experience of wearing it. Not so much a con, but an experience. Yeah, for sure. What do you think, Egan, about seeing it for the first time? I think it's I think it's beautiful and amazing and it's I always look at watches from a standpoint of how will they age? Like w is it's just like buying a car sometimes where you have these like silly sp speedometers or like some of the you have like a uh window into a monitor some of these cars have like computers over time it's not going to be as classic as a as the dial that's on this tutor will age beautifully. It's so gorgeous and matte and the loom is gorgeous. The indicators are pretty, hand's cool. I'm I'm I think it's a great watch. It's great for for the price point. And uh and even the bezel I was saying is so cool because it's not blue. It's it's it's it's like a navy like a navy gray. Yeah, yeah. It's really cool. Yeah. It's very different. I mean seeing it side by side with a vintage Rolex GMT, they've they they've obviously got some things in common, but they they feel like substantively different watches despite having a lot of things in common. Yeah, and your your top the the I think it is it acrylic then on top or it's a sapphire bo box.x Sapphire. So yeah, and I have this little acrylic that Eric uh Coog gave me, which is for this watch, so I don't have the little bubble. I believe it's called a tropic tro uh through thirty nine, traffic 39. Tropic Something. Tropic Something. Yeah. The lower dome. It's not the big super dome than the Super Dome C dweller. This is like the lower. I and it's funny too. I think it's a Tropic 39. I don't know right now because I have a Tropic thir thirty nine, I think the bigger one is the thirty nine. I have that on my red s sixteen eighty because I love looking I I lost I lost all hope for this for the bubble because I kept hitting it against stuff. And you know. But this looks really cool with the raised uh glass. So yeah, check it out. If you if you're at home and you want to see it, go when is it out? Or is it already out? And it's in the stores now. Oh yeah. I would go check it out. Take a they just started hitting retailers, right? Like a week or two ago from when we're when we're recording this. And it's hefty. It's a hefty it's a there's a weight to it that feels I mean, some people have their opinions on heft. I think it feels like a luxurious heft. It's not a a bulky half.. No, I'd agree It's not I don't I wouldn't call it bulky at all. Yeah. It's great. So Keegan, you mentioned going back to your your talking watches and I was reading through the comments again yesterday and I noticed one of the things that when you said it, uh I was I was there when we shot the episode off camera. Uh one of the things you said when we recorded was that you wear your watches when you sleep. And people seem to get really hung up on this. Yeah. Like why would why in the world would you wear a watch when you sleep? So what why do you wear watches when you sleep? Well it's so sonically pleasing because as you well for example, I don't know the yeah, the microphones can't pick it up. But uh I just put my watch next to the microphone for those who can't see us, which is everybody. But the the watch has uh certain watches have different uh tonal pings that happen. Uh the paddocks have a different sound. Uh even like my paddock, my 5164A, when I move, it'll you can hear the wind happen. It's almost like it's almost silly how loud that watch is when it's next to your ear. But I love that chime. It's a chime, it's not a tick. There's no ticking. And some watches are nice ticking, but I don't like that. I like the Rolex kind of like it has like this little miniature sound that is almost w white noise in the background and it puts me to sleep. And um sometimes it's it's not so fun to wear it if you're sleeping next to somebody, you bash them in the head with with your watch, but um, or you bash your face by accident, like you just go boom and hit yourself in the face. But yeah, I do love sleeping with my watches on. And uh all of them. In fact, sometimes if I can't sleep, I put 'em all on my wrist. No, I'm just kidding. That would be just terrible. Uh but yeah, and some people some people think that's mad, and some people are like,, oh I'm used to doing that because and I travel all the time. I mean I'm all over the country. I was just I just got off of a massive book tour for for my uh photo book. And um well by the way, thank you guys so much for having me on the show and being able to talk about what my passions are. A lot of people absolutely want to also clarify. A lot of people thought that I was just doing this to promote my book. Uh no. Hodinki r uh coinc like the passions collide there. So it was total coincidence the timing. We happen to be out here in LA. The book was coming out of the photo book and everybody shoots Leica and everybody's like into photography, like let's do something and it was really, really amazing how that all worked. And we're I think there is a sym a sympatico of Hodinki with fine art. You know, is it's is that's just the way it is. Hodinki isn't just watches, it's it's everything and for everybody. So I I did enjoy that um aspect as well. Can we talk about the book for a minute? Yeah absolutely. Can you uh for people who may not know, can you tell us what the book is, what your motivation was and and just kind of introduce people to the to the idea. Yeah. So I was a photographer from the very young age, around age nine, I got a really great camera from my dad that I borrowed and never get back. Um and I started shooting all over town and as a kid you shoot And you're from here, right? And uh I did my first book called Life Love Beauty and uh it was a national bestseller, it was so well received and it was uh, you know, behind the scenes photos from production various productions I was on, as well as existential photographs that I felt was were part of my teen angst years and my adolescent years and some of my young adult years in a way that um was relatable and fun for people. Um and then I wanted to tackle my hometown, which is Hollywood. I wanted to go out and take photos. Uh but as a kid that's pretty daunting and scary, especially to do a fine art photography book. And it took me a while before I had the guts, I think, to go out and and do a street photography book like that. But also something that was like um you know, a tangible look at Hollywood for anybody. People that have never been there, people that live there all the time, people that are just tourists that are visiting, sometimes that only see the thin veneer of, you know, this city that takes itself so seriously and thrives on its vanity, needs to see itself at its best and at its worst. I always say this, but it's so true. It it really needs that to survive. Um and that's kind of beautiful and disastrous and within disaster there is always beauty. And I wanted to bring a photography book uh from my point of view without being uh without telling people how to feel, but let the images speak for themselves of a city that I grew up in. So Hollywood uh just came out in April. I've been touring all over the country with it and it's been really, really fun. And in fact, I want to bring this up. A lot of people come up to me at book signings, lots of, lots of people, guys and girls, and they go, I saw your talking watches. And I I came seriously to to literally because I saw it on talking watches, I came uh and I wanted to see it with risk check. And they're like they're watched people. That's pretty cool. They came out of the the woodwork. Came out of the watchworks. LA Watchworks. But it was really it was really great. It made me really happy. Yeah. And I I there was a couple of times where that would happen and they would be like, move along I.' Andm like, hold on. We're we're talking watches. And it was like very serious. I mean, one of the things I found really fascinating, we've we've talked about this a little bit, but you know, I know in general you're a Leica shooter. Um and you know, James and I are both both photographers, both pretty into camera gear. Um and I know a lot of the images you shot for Hollywood were not shot on your Leica and were shot kind of in a way that some people might find surprising. Do you wanna do you wanna tell us about that? Yeah. So there was two different uh unique styles that I employed for shooting Hollywood and I will continue to use to shoot most of my photography photography books. Of course I have, you know, like M6 that sh I shoot some uh Portra four hundred, eight hundred, sometimes expired ectra uh ektar one hundred and um uh tri-axe, and then I have an M9, which is the amazing collaboration between Kodak and Leica from two thousand nine when when Codachrome was completely gone. If you guys don't know, look up what Kodachrome is. It's amazing. The last um I think the last role of film was shot by Brett McCurry or Steve McCurry. I almost said Brett Curry, which will I think he's coming to the I think he is coming. I think we're gonna see him tonight. But Steve McCurry shot the last roll of Codachrome. And now we're getting to the real meat and potatoes of of all of my photography is shot on a throwaway CVS camera because uh or or Walgreens or you go to d Dwayne Reed or you go to what is it, come and go. A come and goes are sometimes we'll have weird uh like waterproof cameras. But I love them because it gives this classic tapestry and timelessness to your photography. And then you just go to a one hour photo, develop it, scan it, and it's just it's amazing. And it's not like the fuck boy Terry Richardson look. It's like really good. By the way, can I use the F-word like that? Yeah, you can absolutely use the F-word. Sorry. I won't do it ever again. Mom, if you're listening, earmuffs, I'm so sorry. Yeah. And and so you've been out on tour. How how long have you I mean, how many days were you out on the road? How many cities have you visited? What what have kind of people's reactions been since the book has such a sense of place. Yeah, people have been really, really responding well to it. And um I I enjoyed it when I was overseas and talking to people that have never been to Hollywood and had no idea what Hollywood is except that they learn to feel from the movies. And that's all that people would would say is, you know, I watch tons of movies and TV shows and I've watched your show or I've watched this guy's show or watched this movie. And all I know is Hollywood is that place that puts out content. But when you get here and you're a tourist, it's like a it's like you're in an animal zoo. You're like scar you know it's scary. You don't want to leave there's like four blocks that's like safe to walk and then that's you know that's it. But there's so much more to Hollywood that makes it this beatific splendor that so many people don't know about unless they live here or they have a local like walk them through. And so with the book, what I did was it was kind of like I took every whoever the reader is, I took them by the hand and like pushed through the people and like showed them uh a very specific local Hollywood book from a standpoint in which anybody could view. Um and so people have been obviously like very strong opinions, lots of uh and most mostly positive. I haven't really had any negative opinions, but a lot of a lot of empathy. A lot of people have a lot of empathy because this book forces you to make eye contact with people, which a lot of people don't do anymore when you're on the street or around strangers, especially in in Hollywood. Um and like I said before, it's a city that that thrives on being seen. So a lot of these street performers, a lot of these people that are walking down the street, famous actors, people will divert their eyes because they don't want to be noticed. They don't want to be seen or they are like out there like look at me, experience me, appreciate me and it gets like then people get emotional because they see that and they're like, Why do I feel something? I'm like, because it's what we miss, we miss out on that. I had a not to segue, but I had an interesting situation recently where uh Father's Day just came by. And uh I I don't know if everybody that's listening will understand this, but some people will. If you've lost a parent and you're very close with them, Father's Day' as tough time. But uh I was like kind of in my own world. It was spot Father's Day and I was like, you know, doing doing my normal thing of like I was hiding away. And this woman came over and she was like, excuse me, like, can we take a photo of you right now? And I was like kind of emotional. I was like, you know, right right right now is just not not the time and she's like, Oh well, can you please like just do it? You kinda like it would be really nice for the these people to get a photo. And I was like, it it dawned on me, it's like you miss out on the person sometimes. Even if I'm if you take out the celebrity aspect, you miss out on the moment with people if you don't take the time to experience and look at them and say, like, okay, I'm here, I'm present. And so much of our environment now is like on our phones or taking selfies. Like even before I did this podcast, I'm like, here I am at Hodinky selfie. But it's important sometimes to remain present and recognize that I mean I'm gonna bring it back to time. Time is is not as tangible as just holding a watch. It goes by so quickly. And uh it's important to take those moments. And I think the book kind of A
Unknown aron Powell And is the was the decision to go film for the entire book um purely because you like the effect, you like the outcome, or is it a statement against some things being easy and not being as valuable using digital or fight fighting the oh that's a nice picture, you must have a great camera sort of aspect of the of the hobby. That's what that's what everyone carrying a camera loves to hear, right? Yeah, I know, right. You must have a great camera
Unknown . It's the best. No, it's a it's a myriad of of all of those things. It's like a susseris of ic of showing uh different sides of of you know photography, uh social uh this the social aspect of it, uh humanity, empathy, um and culture as well, like American culture, Hollywood culture, it's a different thing. You know, you go to some of these smaller towns and you know there's none of that. It's like it doesn't exist. And then you go to Hollywood and people are like shook. Or you go to Las Vegas, people are shook. You go to New York, people are shook. They're like, What is this? And it's uh it's really an interesting um byproduct of the environment. And uh yeah, and I I love I love photography and I love telling stories and I think the book kind of tells a really great linear story that's timeless and classic. That's cool. I mean it's it's so interesting anytime you get a chance to pick up a photo book that's constructed that way and constructed as a narrative because so much of how we share images today is you know it's on Instagram, it's on social media, it's one image at a time. It's usually in a mix of things that are coming from other places. It's it's really disjointed, you know, and it's it's a big thing in the watch community too. And you know, we're constantly sharing rishots and you know posting stuff on stories and selfies with other collectors. Um but having that chance to really use images to tell a story is is different. And I I mean I'm trying to think of examples of that being used in in the watch world, but I'm I'm kind of coming up a little blank. I mean I can think of an example as like you don't want to watch and I go on like uh or I'm like I don't want the one two six seven one zero I don't want the one two six seven one zero. I don't want it. I don't need it. I already have uh I have two GMTs, I don't need it, and then you go on Hodinky and you guys have like a write-up about the Jubilee stainless steel, and I'm like, okay, well I guess I want it now. Um sorry, sorry, no no, it's okay. But that's like that's like the way it that's the way it goes. Um and it you don't know what you want until you kind of s feel it out and see it and um but it does work in that way. You guys are great storytellers because until Hudinky came around I just thought I was like this weird kid that was into like weird like like who you like take a moment here, listeners. If if Hidinki didn't exist, you would probably feel very alone. There would be like watch forums, but nothing that's like cool and like shows it to be okay to be into watches. It's like car there's car clubs, but then you get into like you get deep into car clubs and you realize that there's there's a Porsche car club and there's an electric car club and there's a Ferrari car club. And then you get even crazier, there's a Subaru car club, there's all these car clubs, and then there's like niche car clubs. But Hodinki takes all of that and makes it okay, you know, and that never existed until Hodinki. So um that's a I think that's an example right there of of a story. You told stories uh for people to to relate to. It exists and it's fun and comfortable. Yeah. Well that makes me happy. That's good to hear. Yeah, Hidinki's great. I love it. Uh I wouldn't be doing it and it's we didn't we didn't put him up to this either. Man, no. That's not what I was expecting with that question.. But that's what I told you That that's why when I did talking watches I was so elated and afterwards and when I saw it, I was like so proud of being part of it because you know, as a collector that was another thing I want to touch on. People were like oh it's such an elitist thing well no it's actually not it what it is is you f you aspire to collect because you have a passion for it there are some people that collect cacti. Okay? There's some people that collect pins and spoons. And some of these spoons and these pins are so expensive. It's not elitist, it's just what they're into. And it takes a long time to get sometimes what you really want. It took me till I was um three decades to get the watch that I really wanted. And which watch is that? The 5164A travel time. Uh that I saw I saw it in 2000. I saw it in two thousand eleven, but I mean I'm just putting three decades because I I couldn't get it when I was an infant 'cause it didn't exist yet. Um but yeah, it took me since I saw it all that, you know, seven years to be able to do it and it took horse trading and you know, trading up and trading down and making really bad mistakes. But uh now that I have it it's like, oh man, I'm so fulfilled and it's what I wanted. And you know, of course there's gonna be elitists in any realm. You know, there's the Bugatti Shiron, right? It's a three million dollar car. There's some people that are gonna work for their entire life and be able to never be able to buy that car but they love it and there's some people that are gonna be like oh just get it it's like a second uh it's like another Bugatti I could get it and of course that that exists but there's a passion with collecting washes that I've really enjoyed over the years. And um
Unknown what is it a specifically that kind of works to your level, the passion? Is it the minutiae, the small details, the design, the the fact that there's a lineage you could trace it back like you can with with Leica's you can go from an M ten today to its predecessor, its
Unknown roots. Well it's an accessory that you can bring with you anywhere. That's the first thing. So as a man, it's only your shoes, your belts right you know your shoes and your belt matter, but rarely d is it like you wear your it's there's not a lot of jewelry for men that's like right, you know, what you want to wear every day unless you're like Johnny Depp and you wanna wear like seven hundred things to accessorize. I'm gonna I'm gonna pass on that. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. It's there's a minimalism to having a fine watch. And then the best part of it is it's there's sentimentality to it. So there's it will exist longer than any of us are around unless someone smashes it. And even then, it still exists within the world. There's still and it's another tangible way to hold time and see it and feel it. And there's all these there is minutia. There is things to get like obsessive about, like certain dials turn tropical, certain dials have like you know, wear and then turn like pumpkin colored and the patinas get really cool. Or some watches are brand new and they're really interested. Well like even the watch, even the watch you're wearing, right? Like the blueberry GMT. It's a watch that's all about details. Right. And mystery too. That was the other thing is like I don't even know if this watch even existed. I think it does. And they're so that's what's so cool. Is like there have been people that come up to me and they're like, So here's the thing I've heard about that watch. And I'm like, oh dude, let's do it. You know, and it's so fun. Let's you know you're gearing up for it. Yeah, let's let's let's sit down, let's talk it out. Yeah, let's talk it out. And and of course, like that's so fun. Like what? And if it's not fun, then don't do it. Like don't get don't get into that. You know, there's other things you can get into. If you're buying watches and and you're not enjoying them, you're doing it super wrong. You're doing it wrong. Yeah. I like I wake up every day and I I go, which watch am I gonna wear today? And like I put it on and I it just makes me feel good. It's like a feel good thing. I look at my wrist. It's not just accomplishments. Some people get watches to to, you know, commemorate a moment in their life that they've accomplished something. And that's great. Uh maybe not the, you know, the thing that I've done with all my watches. Sometimes I'm just like, I love this watch and I have a reason for it. Um But yeah, growing up, they were just tools. They were just like my my dad had a a beautiful vintage watch and it was to him just a beautiful tool that he had and it wasn't you know this big deal and then there's some guys that make it into a big deal. And you you mentioned your dad a minute ago. I mean does does your passion for watches really for you go back to your dad? Is that where it started for you? It goes back to all of them, I guess all the people I've looked up to in my life, not just my father, not just my uncle, uh, not just my manager Conrad, who I look up to, he has a vintage, beautiful, like insane, beautiful 1680 that like is nuts. It's like ghosted and he didn't even know that it was like that great until I came over one day and I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm like sweating because what are you wear like how have you ha how long have you had this for? And he's like, I've had I've had it forever and I'm like, W whathat?? Like can I see this thing? And I'm just like, do you realize what you have? You know, and he's like, whatever, I swim with it. And he, you know, it's like all of the people that I've look up looked up to, even my teacher in, I believe in like sixth grade. She had a beautiful she wore a beautiful vintage date just. And I remember it. When I was in sixth grade. So it just shows you like the mania started really young. Yeah, you uh you wasted no time. Yeah and, and it was it wasn't like that I looked up to these people because of the status symbol of having a a fine watch. It's because like it was part of them. Like when they walked into the room, they had that on. It was like part of them. And uh the brand has done brands have done a great job of putting watches on people um f as like the stigma of like this is success, like tiger woods gearing up to the hole. And look at his look at his wrist. There it is. Or like Federer with his you know, what is the new watch that just came out? The um the jet the jet the new jet setter kind of watch. Yeah, the stainless steel skydweller. Like, you know, all that stuff's great and it's amazing, but the but you know, watches have a way different placement for me in it's just part of like who you are. It's like it's beautiful. And now a word from our sponsor. Jims, when I say tutor black bay chrono, what's the first thing that comes to mind for you
Unknown ? Well, nothing that came to mind was good. That's that's not good. I wanted to live in that moment and it let me down. Um distinctive design. Definitely the blend between your typical chronographs elements with that black bay design.
Unknown Right. You've got the snowflake hands, but then you don't have a typical dive bezel. You have a tachometer bezel. Thick steel. Exactly. And then under the hood of this watch, you have a caliber M T fifty eight thirteen, which is both chronom
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Unknown al authorized retailer or you can go to TutorWatch.com to learn more. Let's get back to the show. On talking watches, you mentioned the getting the Patek was kind of like getting your grail. What's what's it like for you knowing that you aspired to this thing and now you have it. What is it what does that do for that sense of of aspiration and kind of like progress? Oh it's it's that's a great question actually. I th I thought about that too. It's it was completion but it was completion in something that like it didn't go, it did the passion didn't die away. And I was worried that it would. You know, you think about some of these watches, some of these unattainable watches, like don't get me wrong, like an RCO. You think about getting one, right? And then wearing it every day and feeling like you like get to a place where you could wear something like that and wear it every day and not really care about it. Does the passion die off? For me, my passion, it it accelerated it even to another degree because now I have what I wanted and I can now sit with it and sit pretty with it and be like so grateful that I own it. And the beauty of having watches like that is you own it, but you're gonna you go off, you shuffle off this mortal coil one day, and the watch continues on its its journey. And who knows how long that journey is. That this Patek that I have in my life could be around in like 600 years. And I don't even know how many lives it will have with others. It's just a really cool thought of something that's that's timeless that that that tells the time. And it's that simple. I mean I wonder, James, do you have any watches that were like that for you where you the anticipation of getting it was almost so much that you like didn't quite want to get it 'cause you were worried about
Unknown it? Um No, I don't think so. I think I think I'm like fairly thoughtful when it comes to my process of like selecting whether it's camera gear or watches or whatever. But I know like the I bought a uh the Explorer two, the sixteen five seventy. Nice uh for my thirtieth. But I remember when I first wanted that, I was reading a book by a an American alpinist named Ed Viesers. He was the first uh American to do all fourteen eight thousand meter peaks without oxygen. It's a pretty big feat. That's a four minute mile for the for the sport and a big deal. And he he wrote in the book that like he wasn't obviously not that much into watches, but he had seen he was involved with Rolex at a corporate level and he'd seen this white dial. And like he doesn't even say that it's an explore too, but what other white dial right. Would it have been from that age that and then later on you I f I now have like the ad in my office with him at the top of uh of a ring of a piece of K two, one of the hardest climbs that he did. And I think that kind of storytelling, like even though that's somebody else's life, I think that there's something like interesting in that that you kind of can bring with you with uh with that product. And I'm you know, uh maybe uh you see Brad Pitt wearing a watcher that doesn't really do that much for me so so much. But but something like uh like an advisors or you know, we've been looking into all sorts of stuff for an upcoming magazine issue. Yeah. Um to try and connect. Yeah, and and you find these these incredible stories that are connected with these I mean department store products to a certain level, like even even a a a Rolex or something, you know, it it sits in a display case and a lot of people buy it and then it it goes through let's say a boring life. Mm-hmm. But and sometimes it exists in a more interesting life as well
Unknown . That's such a great that's such a great example too because yeah, like there are the the great the watches are capable of actually fulfilling their functions as well. Like spelunkers are in the they're in the dark and they're like, what time is it? Outside, right? And they can see with no light. They know and it functions. And that's like the other cool thing. Is like we both have these GMTs and like we could tell what time it is. In Bali, in Sydney, in like all around the world. You don't need to like you you have everything on your wrist. You don't need an
Unknown ything. And like at a at an even cheesier level, and it's something that you know we've been we we've been talking about with this uh week on the wrist for this tutor is like I love a travel watch because there's a certain amount of it suggests freedom, mobility, except for it. It's it is, it's definitely romantic. And I know it sounds cheesy and like if you're listening, I don't know why you'd be listening to this if you're not especially into watches, but if you're not especially into watches, this sounds ridiculous, but like I love the idea of a watch that does multiple time zones because it you're considering home where you came from, where your roots are, but you're finding new places, you're seeing new things, you're swimming in an ocean you've never been in before, you're climbing a mountain you've never seen before, whatever that is. And I think it's that duality that makes us human, and when it's in a product, whether it's like an SUV that you could actually take off-road to some adventure or just take it to go get groceries or a watch that could take you all the way around the world and when you get back every scratch has a little a little totem to where you went and how you did it. Dude
Unknown it's it's the same thing for me though with a a good camera, right? Of course. Like a camera pushes you to go out into the world. Like it's almost it's almost like having it is sort of like an assignment. Like you have the thing, now you have to go use it. And whether it's a travel watch or a camera or a great car, like these are things where you acquiring them is really the start of the journey, not the end of it. Like acquiring the object is just the impetus to then go use it and take it out in the world and experience things. And that's it's so exciting and these these, you know, objects that would otherwise just be hunks of metal end up pushing you to actually experien
Unknown ce the world and meet. To be human. Yeah, to be human. And and I think it it's worth you know, don't get it twisted. Like it's not a it's not a question of what the camera costs or the watch costs or in in the case you like you go get a hard body pickup truck for a couple hundred dollars, it'll get you somewhere fun. Or uh or you know, get a Seiko and throw a twelve hour bezel on it, you've got a GMT. Go somewhere cool. And with a camera, go to Walgreens. What do one of those cameras cost? Yeah, there's $7.99 at the most. It's not a money thing. The travel could be expensive. Actually, getting where you want to go is expensive, but that's the money, that's the best money you'll ever spend. Yeah
Unknown and then you look that's the other thing it's a companion it's a companion to you. All these things are companion pieces to your art, to your living and your capability and creation. It's it it pushes you to to to ex to just love your life a little bit more. I mean I look at my watch and I remember all the times that I was like w like where I was with it. Or and it's just so special. Like it's been with me.
Unknown Or do you ever get it where you you're going back through Google Photos or whatever and you catch a photo of yourself, it it'll remind you like, oh three years ago you you were doing this and you're like, oh I was on the other side of the world and then in one of the photos you can just see the corner of a and you're like, oh I was wearing that watch. Oh okay, cool. It was with me for that one. I just say I I
Unknown I sold a GMT maybe six six or eight months ago to buy the watch I'm wearing now. And the hardest thing w about selling it was knowing that like all the places I'd taken it, like giving up those memories and like not having that connection to the watch anymore was way harder than giving up the physical watch. I understand that a hundred percent. Yeah. It is a it
Unknown is a weird mental state to attach that much meaning to a thing. It's a good company makes a million of a year. Right. Yeah. No, but it's
Unknown but it's your memory. It's your thing. Your memories are locked in there. Yeah. 100% I get it. And I love that. Yeah, it's totally it. When I s I sold one of my GMTs to get a a I had 16710 that I wish I wouldn't have sold. Yeah, and I wish I wouldn't have sold it. It was just beautiful and I had a faded bezel from the the owner before me had um was of it was like a deep sea fisherman in the sea of Cortez. And so it was faded from the sea. It had that like salty look to it, and I just loved it. And I sold it to get my um my 1680 red. And uh when I sold it, I remember handing it over and like feeling this like gut punch of oh my god, like it's good the spirit of this watch is moving to somebody else and like all I can do is just be grateful that I had some time with it. And that's it. And I put some time into it and it's on its way. And who knows, you one of the listeners right now, if you're wearing a sixteen, seven, ten uh coke bezel that's like faded like it's in the Sea of Cortez and you just got it from someone It's funny how often that actually happens though. Where like you you know, you know somebody who has a watch and then you hear that oh it went to this dealer and then that dealer and it made its way to so and so and like you realize you're wearing this like one person is wearing another person's watch and you know both of them and it's changed hands four times
Unknown . Yeah. You know? It happens a lot with cars too, right? People go back and actually look through the the records as far as ship or or like they find out from someone in a photograph like oh actually that was my car and then they'll be like, Oh no I had that car until seventy four but before me David Bowie's manager had it and then like yeah like sometimes there's some like wild stuff that happens where and especially with the uh countries where license plate follows the car stays with the car, then you have like a weird record that's in every photo, like a VIN's not necessarily visible in any photograph, but with the license plate, some weird stuff happens with uh time back histories of these vehicles. Yeah. That's super
Unknown interesting. It's amazing. Yeah. I do I do love that that aspect of that it travels through time uh with different people and it has all these lives and you know, to be a fly on the wall. And and I'm not saying that like all of our watches will eventually one day be regarded as like pieces in a museum. But I mean, you think about it now, like there I mean wristwatches haven't been around that long. I mean they have, but they haven't. And it's about a century. Yeah, it's about it. That's it. And so in like about five hundred years, some of these watches will be I mean they'll still have ex they'll still be existing. They're they're not going to erode into dust. You know what I mean? Unless we, you know, it depends on humanity. But um but you know they'll be around and it it's just cool to think about all the stories that they'll go through. Totally. Have you gotten anything new since uh since we saw you last No, but I was like well, no. Anything that's close? Cl yeah, close. I mean I I went and I'm on this the kick to um I I think we we br briefly talked about it before, but I really wanted to get a Tutor fifty eight. Oh yeah. Yeah. And like I'm really like I'm loving that that little slim that slim look on that body of that watch. It's really, really pretty and nice. And um kind of obsessive with it. And also, of course, I'm I'm on this oscillation between like I don't want it, I want it. I don't want it, I want it with the with the stainless steel uh Pepsi. But I I have a what what has you going each way? What do you love about it? What don't you like about it? Well what I don't like about it is I already have a sixteen seven one nine. Okay one one six seven one nine, sorry. Uh B L R O, which is uh the white gold Pepsi GMT and like a part of me was gonna sell it to get but then uh but then I'm like no there's no reason I love that watch and uh I also that watch is now not being made with the black dial. Right. Exactly. It's with a blue dial now. Blue dial, yeah. Uh and I have my opinions on that which uh you know, I just I have I love m the watch that they made for that year and in two thousand fourteen for Basil World. And And um yeah, it's it's tough to uh to then go into a stainless steel jubilee and also what I think I think what has me not doing it is that so many ADs that I'm really close friends with are like the watch is like so overpriced right now. Um and the price has been driven up even it's like it's to the point where it's like silly. If you're gonna do it, do it. Obviously like um no pressure, like go spend you know twenty grand on a watch that should you know is retailing for half that um but you know it's it's beautiful it's cool um do I do I need it to fulfill like some sort of a void within me? No. Do I need it for like B D E? Like no, I don't. Uh but you know over time I think that watch will find its place on a lot of people's wrist. I I think so too. I mean James and I were talking about this the other day, and the weights with retailers are crazy. I mean, retailers are saying that unless you're a really good customer who's spending probably six figures or close to it uh per year, you're you're not getting one anytime soon. Right. And it seems a little crazy to be spending, you know, a hundred thousand dollars on R
Unknown olex in a year. Either they're gonna sell them at for that for the list price, the ninety two fifty or whatever, but they're gonna make you wait a long time. Right. Or they're not gonna sell them for that price. They're gonna put a markup on them. Yeah. And move them to the people who are willing to spend 17, 18, 20, whatever it is. Yeah. Right. I wonder what it's gonna do to the Daytona market. I wonder if it'
Unknown ll Yeah. I wonder if anybody who's been waiting for a Daytona will say, ah, you know, if I'm gonna have
Unknown to wait, I'll wait for the new thing. roll like feedback about Rolex ADs is it's all anecdotal. My AD says if you buy two you can get one, like you can get two Daytonas, but you gotta buy two and they're gonna take pictures of the serial numbers so you can't sell 'em and like that kind of stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't seem to be any election. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. And Rolex is never going to comment on anything. No, so I I think it all depends on who you know at your AD, if you're if you're friends, if if your AD has one. But like, you know, I'm I'm from Vancouver and the general note in town is like you can't just walk in off the street and get any steel sport uh sports watch from from I always pop in Rolex stores and airports just to see what's there. 'Cause always think like that's if they get a shipment, who knows? Omega always has crazy airport stores too
Unknown . They'll get random stuff right. So
Unknown I always check because my thought is always if I
Unknown see a Daytona, I mean you kinda have to, right? Like I know enough people who want them and would be willing to pay above retail. You know, it's if you see one, you kinda gotta snatch it up. Yeah. Absolutely I agree. I do that too. I'm yet to find anything good. I've I've never seen a Daytona, I've never seen a you know ceramics of Mariner, I've never seen any of the the steel sport watches. Really? You've never seen a ceramics submarine? Not in an airport. Like an eleven forty sixty? Yeah, not in an airport. I guess you can't really find those. They're so hard to get. They're so hard to get. That's the thing. If you want to get a uh the Batman, those really hard to find right now. Damn dude. I feel like that's crazy to hear. Jeez. It makes me nuts. I was at uh Gallery Lafayette in Paris a couple weeks ago um with my wife. We were on on vacation there. And I popped in just to we were in the store and I was like, oh you know what? I'm gonna go by the Rolex counter and just just see. They had almost no sport watches at all. And I think it's partially because of the tourist clientele that they're they're catering to, but it's all gold watches.. Wow It was it was pretty wild. That's insane. So and that's the other thing is that w part of me does want a stainless steel version of that watch to be able to like not worry because I wear my gold watch and I'm that's the one watch that I'm scared of when I wear it. Like it's terrifying to me because it it is what's so scary about it. Well 'cause I already went through a gnarly thing with them where you know, I I don't want to get into my like whole therapy session about it, but it costs a lot to replace that bezel. Okay. And uh I had uh I had scratched it by putting on my seatbelt and it was like a really you would think you know these watches are super rugged but because it's such a soft metal and it's gold like you gotta be really ginger with that ex that specific watchy white gold. Yeah. So sometimes I'll I'll wear it and be like, uh that was me putting my hand down really softly on the counter. But I won't do that with the with the white gold. I'll like hover my hand because I don't want it to scratch. So you just gotta be really like careful with it. Is it even fun to wear at that point? It is. It's it's so fun. Yeah. It's so fun to wear. Just only with sweaters where you can put it in the garage. Yeah. It it's it's a still garage. I like that. Yeah, yeah. But like Yeah, no, I park it right there. But it's it is it is a it's a statement piece. I mean there's something very it's good there's a glint on it. You know, it has that no one has it. I mean right really I mean I think I was talking to Ben when we were at dinner last time. Ben and John are the Ben Clymer and John Mayer and and I were talking about how we are like kind of the only people that we know that have it. And that's it. Like we haven't really been I mean, unless there's somebody that I that knew is added to this little like not that I know tripod here. But that's it. Like not a lot of people have that watch. I gotta ask while we're talking Rolex Rainbow Daytona. So I gotta ask for Kara. Kara would want me to ask. So I have to ask. Shout out to Kara. She loved that. She loves it. I I it's not for me. Like now, if they gave it to me, it'd be for me. I would wear it. Which color? Uh oh. God. There's that's tough. I don't know. There's a right answer. Well, yeah, I don't know. Which would you want? Yellow? Okay. I don't think I could pull it off. I think here's the sad part. I think you you gentlemen both underestimate yourselves. I would look like a maniac. I don't know who the hell of course she would. I'd walk can you imagine Rainbow Daytona. Rainbow Daytona, that is like a hundred thousand dollar like Glint. Now here's the thing. If I started rapping, I'd wear it. I saw Post Malone walking down the street the other day, casual, and I was thinking he could wear it. Yeah, casual. Um yeah, but he he walking down the street. I could totally see him wearing it. Any trap artist, hundred percent there's a no-brainer. It's the lifestyle choice. You're you're walking around, you know You. know, but for me, I think I'm more like into classic looking watches. You have fewer face tattoos. I do. I have I've I'm missing a couple of face tattoos. Fewer exactly is the best term. Yeah. If I okay, if I do get one, I have to get a face tattoo. Right. And it's gotta say something like nuts on it. Maybe just it'll just say nuts right under my eye. Rainbow Daytona. Rainbow Da Rainbow Daytona under my eye. Young young rainbow right across the house. Oh God. Yeah. And it would go great with where I live. I live in Wii Host. So it would be perfect. Everybody would go, oh, there's young rainbow walking around. Terrible. Terrible. Sounds like you got a plan. Yeah, we're doing this. This is the next phase. Yeah, but I don't. I don't know if you feel you I think I feel like you could pull it off. I know that I mean I wear almost exclusively like really austere time only three hand watches, like which are mostly like thirty-six to 38 millimeters. It would be it'd be a bit of a departure, but I would I would wear one. My favorite thing is to think about that design team at Rolex and they're like, we need to make a fully functional chronograph, but we need to make it like this. And they like unveil it. Whomst is gonna put that on and go to the racetrack and fully function that watch. That's what I want to know. Is there a race car driver? I feel like Hamilton, like what's his name? Lewis Hamilton? Yeah. He could wear it and it would be fucking sick. It'd be so cool if he's in the pits wearing that watch. It would look still like a main thing. But it's also a fully functional waterproof chronograph. Oh my god. Yes. It it is still at its core a Rolex sports watch and it's it's it's absurd. It's absurd. It's completely absurd, but it's great. Yeah. Yeah, I do love that. It's weird. Yeah, but car car totally. She wear it. Yeah. We thought about starting a like GoFundMe to try to get her a rainbow data. She wears a Royal Oak though. She does. She's been wearing a Royal Oak lately. That's amaz I know I had a f I had talk about watches of the past that I wish I didn't sell. I had a 15202 ST jumbo and it was beautiful and I loved it. And I sold it to um to fund my uh obsession with my paddock. Oh no wait. I yes, that's what I did. I sell sold that and I got my paddock. And um the paddock was a little bit a little bit more. But it's and it took more time. But I remember selling that watch and being like uh and it reminds me of the watch from the Thomas Crown affair. So I was just like I kept seeing Pierce Brosnan's face like shaking his head in the background, like a ghost of people's head. Yeah. By the way, I saw Pierce Brosnan walking down the street in Beverly Hills. And uh I've never casual. And I've never felt I we didn't get starstruck, but there was a part of me that just stopped what I was doing. I acknowledged his presence walking down the street. He was watching a beauful wearing a beauti or m Omega, I believe. And I remember like that was what my eyes went to. I went, what watch is he wearing? And that and I remember thinking to myself, like, what who like what do the cool guys wear? Because he's so cool. He exudes this coolness. Like he's got a coolness about him. It's a cool watch, a cool old Omega on. Um and uh yeah, I remember that. But yeah, when I was handing over the watch, he was there. Sort of like a misty Pierce Brosnan and he was like from the Thomas Crown affair and he's like, no, what are you doing? Yeah. Any regrets? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I mean you have yeah, but we have regrets, but but you move forward and and I'm I'm happy. It's kind of part of the hobby, right? Yeah, and I and here's the reality. I d I don't regret it when I'm in the ocean swimming and I get out on a rock and the the rubber band from the paddock, the aquanut goes up. Or did you treat yourself at home? Treat yourself. Go and watch the new Paul McCartney carpool karaoke. It will make you so happy. It made me cry like eight times because I was I just love him. And if you don't if you already love him, you'll love him so much more. If you don't know who I'm talking about, he was the singer of the Beatles. Um it's really scary that you n we now have to qualify that. I know. Well there's some kids that are like, who is like I was I showed my friend and he has a kid and he goes this guy and what is he singing? And I'm like, the I'm like kid, the beatle, you know, anyway. But he was wearing a 5164A in it, and I was like, I couldn't focus for like the whole ten minutes that it started. It was a twenty three minute segment. And the ten minutes I'm just like, is he wearing a fifteen minutes sixty four? Yeah. No, wait, is he? Is he wearing a fifty? And I'm like obsessed with it. Um because I cause the you know, he always wears the Aqua Not.. Right But uh yeah I mean that's always cool when you see someone that you uh that you look up to wearing a watch that you have is really cool. You know you're part of the same same team, same team. Hey guys like if I ever see him I'll be like It's secret handshake. Yeah. It it is, it is. You know? It's really cool. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. So something we like to do every episode to close things off is get a cultural recommendation from everyone. So it can be a book, a movie, a place you went recently, something to recommend that people go check out after the episode's over. So uh do you wanna do you want to throw us something? Yeah recently on my book tour, I've been walking around and checking out different places and I was in um uh m I was in Virginia recently and I went to Harper's Ferry, uh which is where the Civil War started and it was really crazy to be there and take photos and experience just walking on that soil and being in that small town and looking around and it's still a fully functional little little uh epicenter of uh there's it's like an attraction, you know? Um there's a lot of sugar everywhere though, so beware. Uh sugar's poison by the way. I wanted to touch on this. Oh, cool. Oh I didn't realize it until recently, but everything has sugar in it. And it's so subsidized within the the uh Midwest and uh Middle America. When I went over there I couldn't eat anything 'cause it was like they're like at Harper's Ferry, they're like, We have some specialty civil war corn and I'm like, What's in it? And they're like, corn and sugar. Like literally can't be mad. Oh man, so much is terrible. Um but uh that was fun. Uh uh what is another thing? I saw okay. I was laughing about this earlier. Darkmes Cri, which is Jim Carrey's new movie. Try and get through the first 20 minutes of it. That's a challenge to you. It's called Dark Crimes. Dark Crimes. It has a zero percent on Rotten Tomato. Okay? Now let me tell you something about this. I love Jim Carrey. He is one of my favorite artists, comedians. He's so talented and so woke. He's cool. He's weird. He's a little crazy. But man, is he talented? And you will watch this movie. And here's the thing: for as an actor, I went and saw with my friend Brett Dyer, who's uh who's on Jane the Virgin, and we're and he like is is another he's like a Jim Carrey kind of guy. He's very funny. Um, and we both were just like, What why did he do it's it's just so bizarre and it's so hard to sit through, but but it's so fuck it's so fun to do that because it's just like Jim Carrey, what are you doing? But uh yeah, and also Rick, Rick and Morty. If you haven't watched Rick and Morty. Get through Rick and Morty immediately. Watch it a thousand times. It's incredible. Yeah, Rick and Morty's so good. It's so good. We may or may not have been watching some Rick and Morty just before you came through the doors. It's outstanding. It's it's definitely one of the best shows uh ever made in the history of television. And if you don't know what we're talking about, um all of us that are listening or all of us that are on the podcast, watch it, and we all got uh Harvard master degrees just from watching it, so um and if you do if you watch it you'll understand what that means because you'll be smarter around your friends. You'll realize that people don't have the mental cap capacity to keep up with you if you watch Rick and Money. Um as far as a book that I recommend, been really getting into bicameralism. Um a really good book is The Origin of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by uh Julian Jaines. It's really nuts. And uh bicameralism is something that uh I got into because Elon Musk uh talks about living a simulation and there's part of me that feels like ever since I started to recognize that there's like glitches within the simulation uh the it basically bicameralism talks about the fact that origin is something that is uh evolutionary uh it's an evolutionary thing. Uh it's not as much of a learned trait as it is uh I'm sorry, sorry. It is more of a learned trait. There's a hypothesis that uh anything can maintain consciousness if given the opportunity to. Um and uh there's a there's a part of me that thinks that like humanity is this like cyclical uh thing that keeps happening and and uh the universe tries to experience itself through other things as well. So like maybe in like a billion years like flowers will be at our standard and like Ricky Morty kind of does this where the couches are eating pizza wait. The chairs. The chairs are eating phones and they're sitting on pizzas in one universe. Watch Rick and Morty, you understand what I mean. But uh comes back to Rick and Morty. There's multiverses and yeah, it all comes back to Rick and Morty. Um but yeah, that's I would recommend all of that stuff. And um yeah, I'm trying to think of anything else. Yeah.
Unknown I think that's that's it. Yeah. Anything from you, James? Yeah, for sure. I would recommend a podcast, which I think would be a great like foil to one like this. And it's a podcast called All Fantasy Everything. It's recorded here in LA in Glendale. And it's uh three comedians kind of um if you watch like the or if you if you listen to Doug Love's movies, a lot of these guys pop up on that sort of thing, and if you know the LA comedy scene, uh they're around. And they have on a guest, usually another comedian or another writer, and the whole ideas they pick an generally very esoteric or specific vein, and then they draft their choices. So the best five things to do if you had a billion dollars, the best five celebrities you'd like to go on a date with on a Friday night, the best five, like most recently it was uh top five rap videos. Sweet. When you were growing up, because they're all really deep into hip-hop. But the thing that makes it special isn't really the the pics. They're all super funny and and the show the format of the show is really hilarious. It's the fact that the especially the three hosts are really close friends. Mm-hmm and so they're so supportive of each other's choices, even if they're terrible choices. And the the charm level of the show so vastly outweighs its concept. Okay. And they've done a a ton of episodes. It's super funny. And if you're normally listening to ninety-nine percent invisible or a podcast about watches or something like that, and you want kind of a a a a foil, a palette cleanse or something like that. I I think that all fantasy everything is absolutely one of my my full on favorite pieces of content that comes out every week now. Awesome. I dig that. It's really fun. S
Unknown weet. Uh I'm gonna recommend something that some people might might be really mad at me for recommending, but um I was listening to Bill Simmons does a podcast on the Ringer Network um called The Rewatchables. Uh and the most recent episode from when we were from when we're recording this uh was about the Devil Wears Prada. Uh so I wanna recommend anyone who has not seen the Devil Wears Prada go watch this movie. Uh it's so good. It's so good. And I I remember I remember I've seen it probably I don't know, f somewhere between five and ten times. Uh but I haven't seen it in probably two years, three years, and I forgot how amazing it is and hearing these people walk through this movie, I forgot it is just brilliant and there's so many good performances in it and it's amazingly written. And it's just like you you don't need to care about fashion at all. You don't need to care about what it would be like to work at a fashion magazine. You honestly don't even need to like like kind of random comedy movies to like it. It's it is just an amazing film. I highly, highly recommend it. I'm probably almost certainly gonna watch it on the flight home tomorrow. So it's so good. And w and here's the thing, it'll it'll start you down a downward spiral of like you'll go into for me, I went immediately into like Anna Wintor's whole entire life and she does she has all these documentaries because the Meryl Streep does such an amazing job. I think it might be Meryl Streep's best performance, which is saying something. So good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Cool. Yeah. Well, man, this was super fun. I'm glad we could sit down and do this and it's always fun when we come out to LA to get to hang out and uh you know, talk watches, photography, everything else, brick and mortar. Yes, I love it. Thank you guys so much for having me again and uh it was really it was a treat for me as well, and uh and yeah. Thank you. Thank you again to Keegan and James for joining us. This week's episode was produced by Grayson Korhonen and was recorded at the Network Studios in Los Angeles, California. Please remember to subscribe and to rate the show. Thank you for listening, and we'll see you next week.