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Jeremy Kirkland (Founder, Blamo! Podcast)

Published on Mon, 8 Jul 2019 16:52:21 +0000

The podcast host tells us how he went from blogging on Tumblr in his free time to interviewing fashion's biggest names.

Synopsis

In this engaging episode of Hodinkee Radio, host Stephen Pulvirent sits down with fashion podcaster and watch enthusiast Jeremy Kirkland, creator of the popular Blamo podcast. The conversation explores Jeremy's journey from a music industry day job and fashion blogger to becoming a respected voice in the fashion world through his podcast, which features interviews with influential personalities across fashion and culture. Jeremy shares his background creating the clothing company Run of the Mill with Lauren Schlossman during the hashtag menswear era, his work at publications like Esquire.com, and how his friendship with Ben Clymer began after Clymer politely corrected him about Paul Newman Daytonas on Twitter.

The episode delves deep into the intersection of fashion and watches, with Jeremy discussing how Hodinkee has significantly elevated watch awareness in the fashion world and beyond. He shares a profound moment meeting watchmaker Laurent Ferrier, who taught him that a watch's beauty comes from the joy it brings the wearer, not its provenance or investment value. Jeremy talks about his love for smaller vintage watches, especially Tudor Oyster Princes and Seiko divers (coining the inclusive hashtag #SeikoBoiz), and how he managed to secure a Batman GMT (BLNR) from an authorized dealer—his first Rolex purchased at retail with his name on the papers. The conversation touches on summer fashion trends, sustainable fashion movements, the importance of kindness and relationships in small creative industries, and wraps with cultural recommendations including books about automotive racing history and the new Black Keys album.

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Unknown I remember Ben had texted me and he was like, hey, I got, you know, there's someone in the office. I know you'd want to meet this person. Like, you should come by. And I was like, oh, who could it be? Who could it be? And I show up at the office, and there is the Don himself, Laurent Ferrier, just like chilling, hanging out with the whole Hodinky crew. Wow. And I remember he saw the watch I was wearing and he was like, oh, you know, what is that? What you're wearing is like, it's very beautiful. Let me see it. I was like, okay, yeah. And I take off my watch and I show it to him. I was like, Yeah, what do you think of it? Is it special? I was like, is the dial original? Is this you know I start asking him all this stuff and I remember him saying, like, do you like it? I was like, Yeah. He's like, It's beautiful then. And I'm like, Oh man, my head like exploded and like hit the back of the wall. Cause I was like, oh wow, like he's like, you like this? This makes you happy. It's beautiful. One of the reasons we started Hodinky Radio almost a year ago is that I'm totally obsessed with podcasts. If I'm not actively writing something or having a conversation with someone, I've probably got AirPods in my ears and a podcast pulled up on my iPhone. One show that I never miss is Blammo, which features interviews with important personalities from across the fashion world. It certainly doesn't hurt that it's hosted by my good friend Jeremy Kirkland. Full disclosure, Ben and I have both been guests on previous Blamo episodes. But we've also both known Jeremy for a long time and have gotten to watch him transition from being a fashion blogger working a day job at a record label to becoming a mainstay in the fashion world. The way Jeremy gets his guests to open up and tell their real stories instead of just the sound bites they feed everyone else is incredible. Jeremy's also a longtime watch guy. He gets just as excited about a $50 Seiko as he does a vintage sub, and he's someone who learned about watches through trial and error and by always asking questions. This week we turned things around and I asked him a bunch of questions. Things like how the fashion world looks at watches, how he managed to get himself a brand new Rolex GMT, and why any of us even care about watches in the first place. I'm your host Steven Pulverant and this is Hodinky Radio. Yeah. I know, I was like, do I take a silent sip? I'm sure everybody listening loves some strong cold even from the three of them. Uh all right, good to have you here, man. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. Huge honor. Big fan of uh of the Hodinky pod. Oh. Thank you very much. We're uh we're big Blamo fans, and not just because two of us, yeah, two of us at the office have been guests on the show, but we've also had a couple overlapping guests. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. I think our worlds are tight enough that it uh it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So for for people who don't already listen to Blamo, which is your show, can you tell us what Blamo is and who you are? Oh, geez. Um that's a great question. Blamo is it's a podcast that I started in like 2016-ish. That initially the the concept of it is it's people in the world of fashion or the world of fashion and the people who shape it. It's not a very good tagline because it's kind of grown over the years, but generally that's what it is, is I think there's a really interesting part of the world of fashion that, you know, like who is Nick Wooster? Who is Scott Schumann? You know, the startorialist, who are all these people? And I think for me something that I've really loved and fallen in love with, especially in the new like digital age of fashion. Uh it's not just like someone making a garment or it's it's the storyteller, it's the person that's that's creating the e-commerce platform, it's the per you know, so there's a big world in there. And for me it was kind of therapy to just like meet and talk to some of these other people. And initially, I mean, it's like Ben was one of the first guests because Ben and I had known each other for a while and I, you know, kind of politely kept nudging him, asking him to come on. Um but yeah, it was really just my friends trying to to get on and and you know, I ran out of those. Um, you know, I'm I I guess I'm I'm happy to that the people that have been on are people that are friends or acquaintances, but I'm at a point now where I'm like kind of having to pitch more. Yeah. Which uh is fun. It's fun. It's a challenge though. But who I am uh it's a good question. I came into fashion, I guess like kind of on an accident. I was one of the like blogger boys. Yeah, dude, hashtag mens were a baby. Yeah. The old days. Yeah. I mean, I'm like the similar person that I had a job at an office and was trying to get that hot content, man, trying to trying to blog on the Tumblr, bought my own domain, had my WordPress. Yeah. You guys remember that? Yeah, dude. Yeah, of course. Of course. Pre Squarespace. Oh yeah. Well way before Squarespace. Uh I wasn't live journal era. But uh I did yeah, I had a a a blog that was a riff on a Frank Lloyd Wright quote called uh start with typewriters. Yeah. Um his his comment was always like, I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous items out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters. Dude was kind of like maybe big on the fake news era. But um yeah, I had that and it I'm I'm kind of one of those people whom I just immersed myself so much in that industry that I love that I, you know, I kind of be became a little bit of it. Um I mean and also I'm trying to think of a nice way to say this without like bull you know belittling myself too much, but um I was just like I kept trying to write and talk about these things because I loved it so much that I guess like people kind of like let me in that industry a bit. Um a fun fact uh Georgie from Brunello Cuccinelli and I have no problem telling this story because I've told it to other people. Um I was trying to be funny and cool, and I like issued maybe a stupid takedown of Brunella Cuccinelli, and I was like, oh, this garment isn't that cool, or that you know, and but the truth was I secretly loved it and I was just jealous that I couldn't own it. You know, I mean I was, a younger kid. Yeah, I'm trying to figure this world out. And I got, I remember I got an email from Georgie, Georgiana, uh, who is the senior PR director for Brunello Cuccinelli. And this is when I realized, like, oh wait, people are actually reading this. Uh, or she had a Google alert. Who knows? But but yeah, I, you know, I I was just being an idiot. And she was like, hey, you know, why don't you come and see this in person? I think you'd like it. And I, you know, remember like meeting her and getting to talk to her a little bit about it and also like eating my words and actually like apologizing to her later. Um it was so like that was kind of like my entrance into the fashion industry and then I started a clothing company for a little bit with uh Lauren Schlossman. Oh dude, I forgot about that. Yeah, man. It was called Run of the mill. Yeah. Yeah. This was like hashtag menswear era like 2009, 2010. We were making double monk strap shoes and Oxford button downs? Oxford button downs that had that had cutaway collars. Oh, we were so cool. Uh but I mean, you know, it was funny because it was I remember wanting one of those so bad. And I was I was I'm just a couple like a couple years younger than you and it was my senior year of college and I wanted one and I did not have two pennies to rub together and I was like shit I want this so bad but like I can't spend that much money on a shirt. Yeah. Like I how am I gonna eat? We were we were like trying to price ourselves below all these other people. Um it was like every way on how to not run a business. Um because we priced ourselves by looking at the things that we figured people were already buying and tried to undercut that instead of looking at like what does it actually cost you to make this? So much that I think we just spent a couple years hemorrhaging money. Uh but yeah, that was that was a fun thing to do. It's cool that people like it. Every now and then I'll get a message from someone being like, hey I'm wearing a run-in-the-mill shirt. And you're like, oh dude, wow, I don't even have that anymore. Uh but yeah, I mean it's so I was I kinda had like a bit of baptism by fire, like going around through that. And then uh you know, I'd always been friends with Ben. I was a writer for Esquire.com for a bit. And I became like my climber story was I became friends with Ben because he very politely on Twitter like called me out because I had no idea what I was talking about about watches. I basically said that a Paul Newman watch was like all Daytonas that were just like from a certain era. I was like totally I was like, no, this is six two, six three. And he's like, yeah, but it's not an exotic dial. And I was like, oh snap. Oh no. Yeah. But this was what? This was 2011 maybe, 2012. I mean it was still like even most most like watch guys on the internet barely understood that at that point. Yeah. It was still early days. Yeah, it it was. I mean, and you know, I for me I always try to approach every person that I had met as like, okay, how can I learn from this person? Or like there's really no one out there that is your enemy or wants to be your enemy. I mean at the time it it felt like everyone that was kind of like in trying to write about fashion or be in watches or luxury or anything along that actually did like the other person and and wanted to you know help them and so you know climber was just like really nice and generous to me and I remember him taking me out to lunch um and like giving me a a thorough education on stuff and that's kind of what where our friendship started. I mean he was you know, still this day always correcting me on some stuff and I'm v very humbly thanking for it. Uh but yeah, and then that you and I had met. Yeah. Because you had started at Hodenke and like you were like 'cause you were one of the earlier guys. Yeah. It was uh summer two thousand twelve. It's just Ben and me. Yeah. For a little while and then Will uh came on board. And then I started at the armory in twenty thirteen um at the Armory in New York under Mark Cho, who was doing uh you know, the the first armory out um outside of Hong Kong and worked there for a little bit and started a pod, just again, like kind of trying to make my way through whatever world I was obsessed with and uh I stand before you or or sit before you today. Here you are. Right right into your ears. Piped it directly into your brain. Right into your ears. Yeah. I think one of one of the things and you w you worked in the music business for a little while too, right? That is true. Yeah. I worked in the music business. Yeah, when I was I was doing run of the mill and start with typewriters and all that. I was working at the beggars group, uh like an indie label conglomerate, which was XL Recordings, 4AD, Rough Trade, and uh Matador Records. So yeah, it was a a ton of fun time in my life. And and so the commonality that I'm seeing, you know, you worked at a music label, you're writing, you're making clothes, you're making a podcast. Like that commonality is you're you're making stuff for people. Yeah, you're taking your interests and you're making stuff for other people to consume. And I thought it was funny when you said, you know, that that like, oh shit, somebody's reading this? Like I remember having that moment. Like James, you must have had that moment too, right? And that moment where you you make a thing and you realize that like somebody else is reading it the way that you read other things that inspired you or excited you. Yeah. That's a really intoxicating feeling, right? Oh, it's the best. It's the absolute best. It's it's somewhat poisonous because sometimes I'm like, oh may maybe I do know more about what I'm talking about, you know, or you you you get those lovely people sliding into your DMs and calling you out on stuff in very generous, sweet ways Oh yeah. You need that though, right? 100%. I am nothing without it. And if not, I would still be a goofball ignorant person that thinks he knows everything, and now I'm just like, yeah, but how can I learn more? I mean, I I really do try to keep that as is silly as it sounds. I mean when James and I recorded with Matt Haranak on on this show. Oh yeah. You know, something Matt said that really stuck with me is is you know, he doesn't think of himself as the most interesting guy in the room. He thinks of himself as the most interested guy in the room. Uh and that's something that's really stuck with me. Yeah, that is, right? Like that's a great attitude to approach this kind of business with. Yeah. I I get people reaching out to me more and more these days asking about like, hey, like, how can I get involved in the industry or what should I do? And the best advice that I've gotten and what I always try to tell other people is like be as nice as you can. Like you don't don't like injure yourself, you know, by being nice. Like don't like do something to your detriment, but it is such a small industry, and so I would say, like, for me, like I don't have a prestigious education or any sort of like bizarre background. It's everything that's ever happened to me has been because of people that wanted to take a chance on me and the industry was small enough that I had a tiny bit of a reputation that they're like, Oh yeah, I know Jeremy. He's he's a nice guy. Where like that was all I had and, that's still kind of all I need to keep going. So I tell everyone like don't burn any bridges, be nice to people, you know, like go out of your way to just don't, you know, like don't uh don't rock the boat too much. And uh I think that's that's kind of helped me out the most. So Yeah, I I think, you know, one of the things that interests me about Blammo is you talk about the industry being a small place and and it certainly is in a lot of ways, but Blamo kind of looks outside the usual suspects, which I I really enjoy. You know, I mean I I listen to the show regularly, of course, and uh, you know, it's not just the the guys like Scott Schumann who you would expect. It's, you know, uh the founder of Pitchfork, right? Oh yeah. And like that's not really the fashion world, but like the episode doesn't seem out of place at all. Like it's it still has that same kind of perspective. So how do you try to find those sorts of people and kind of like maybe bring them into that world or connect them to that world in a way that that still feels sort of like cohesive, I guess. Sure, that's fair. I mean, I think uh something that you know has always kind of stuck out to me is is how much fashion has influenced culture and thus that culture word covers everything. And so when you think about like fashion of the 1970s, a lot of people the first thing they think of is like Led Zeppelin or you know the Beatles breaking up or like Jim Crocey and his awesome, you know, cat uh caterpillar denim jacket and things like that. And so much of that was created in a way like by accident. Like you know, someone like uh Jim Croce wasn't looking through his wardrobe being like, How can I make a statement? How can I influence the culture? He was writing songs. I mean, rest in peace, poor guy. But like he was just making his music, and that, you know, when people like within the fashion industry look for inspiration, a lot of times it falls into music and especially now more than ever when you think about hip hop and you know, like Kanye West is a fashion designer. You know, I mean, which I think is great, by the way, I'm not a Kanye hater. But like it's so much of that, you know, comes from that part of the industry and sort of the culture that was created from it. And someone like Ryan Schreiber, like, you know, he's this authoritarian on music. And I I think you know, 'cause it's interesting in that episode, for me it was more on like how how did you make that and how did you keep it going? And that's I think something that kind of like pulls a bit from all the episodes is an entrepreneurial an entrepreneurial sense, excuse me, and like building a world and what it takes to do that. And I mean fashion really in general is kind of just everyone wants to be accepted and involved into it. You know, it's at the end of the day, we're all just paying for psychology. Like we're we're just we're we just want that therapy, man. Just tell me tell me I'm accepted
Unknown . So I mean w what what would you figure over over all these episodes you've recorded, have you have you come across any gems that stand out for you on audience building, on connecting with that culture, on on finding a space where y you can be you but also it's like being accepted and and know
Unknown ing your people, that sort of thing? Yeah, that's a great question. Uh I think for me a lot of times like getting to talk to someone else, there's a lot of empathy that happens. Like I think a a strong episode or or any podcast if you look at it, it's where uh a listener can connect to the guest. Where like, you know, like you if you have someone big on and all they talk about is I don't know, something that's totally unattainable and unrelatable to you, then then it's really not that good of an episode despite how cool that person is. Or if they answer a question that every single person's asked them over and over again, like, yeah, I heard that. But something that would stick out to me that was always really exciting, and something I personally uh like try to do with every episode is like I am first off, like I tell everyone, like I'm not a journalist. Like I'm not, I didn't go to journalism school, I don't know the difference between AP style and whatever other editing style there is. Oxford commas like way over my head, right? Like I don't get any of that. But what I am is someone who is a fan and an enthusiast. And because I'm not working for, you know, an amazing publication like the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal, all the people that I'm talking to, I already like. Like my, you know, and Sid Mashburn, who's a guy that I had on, told me he's like, I like your show because it's basically a celebration of the person that's on, not so much like, hey, I want to ask you these hot button questions or I want to like get into that. And I think when you create an environment like that with someone, when they know that like, hey, I already like you, there's there's no sort of specific rabbit hole that I want to go down that creates this intimacy that people will start to tell you other things about themselves. A little bit more of a safe place versus the the wall. Yeah. Yeah. You know, to answer your question, uh a lot of people associate with this guy with like just photos on Instagram or photos on the Sartorialist or whatever it was. You know, he's the cool guy with the mustache and the Tom Brown suits, but that was it. But not everyone knew, at least at the time, about you know, his life growing up in Kansas City and what it was like to try to come out to his family and his wrestles with you know sobriety, which is not something that I knew or even had any intention of discussing. But for me that was something that I could connect with in wrestling with just like my own like identity as a person and w how does that translate? And when you you know creating an environment like that for someone to chat and talk to you you get you know a really you know interesting discussion that otherwise wouldn't have happened. So um the thing that I take away from the most is that is that all these people are really human and at the end of the day, you know, it sounds really silly. It does. It sounds really cheesy and it's not what people want to hear, but it's we all want to be accepted. We want to be validated for who we are and we want to try to contribute some way to society and be welcomed with the contribution. And that to me is is the like the greatest feeling ever to be able to one let someone do that, but me be validated on my own to get to uh experience that with someone else. It's so I mean it's it's everything to me. That's awesome. Absolutely. No, I love I love that. I mean it'
Unknown s that is that is the magic in sharing a perspective or sharing your perspective and hearing the reply be something that was unexpected and maybe expands your position or allows you to understand something that you wouldn't have experienced growing up if you didn't grow up in the same place as the person you're talking to, if you didn't people, if you grew up in you know, different different sort of beliefs and systems and those sorts of things and every time you kind of trade those trading cards, you get a little bit closer to like a full deck. Yeah.
Unknown Yeah. Yeah. I like that. I like the trading card reference. It works. I think it kinda works. It's also funny when you find overlaps with people, right? Like unexpected overlaps. We're talking about St. Louis because you grew up there, I went to school there. That's right. And uh we actually went to s the same school for for a period of time. Yeah. Not at the same time, but same school. And we were talking about the gargoyle. That's right. Which the gargoyle is a it's not underground in a like metaphorical sense, it is a literally underground music venue. Yeah. Uh at Washington University in St. Louis. Shout out to Washiu. Yep. Uh it's basically a cement box with like eight foot ceilings underground. Not the greatest sonic environment for music, by the way. No. For some reason it is. Yeah. But it's like it's this really weird. I mean, I've been to dozens and dozens of different music venues, but like shows I saw at the gargoyle have a very particular feel, and you only see them if you're like a college student at Washu. And it's we were talking about this and it's like one of those very peculiar life experiences that just like for I didn't realize was as meaningful to me until I talked to somebody else who had the same feeling was like, wait a minute, that was really special. Oh shit, you know? Yeah. I mean, kind of coming back to music. It's just there's like that sort of environment and that like magic that gets created in it from experiencing it and also playing it. Because like for me, like I moved to New York uh with the idea that I was gonna become a musician. You know, I I obviously that's not the case. Uh but like being around in that environment, I remember being at a gargoyle show and uh here's a throwback: it was Howie Day and Matt Nathanson. Okay. But this was Howie Day when uh he was basically making his show with loop pedals. Um like you got do you know what a loop pedal is? Like if a listener like doesn't go. Yeah, like there was a short recordings that layer together. Exact Exactly. They're like Howie Day was like one of the earlier musicians of like that late nineties, early aughts era, who would uh play his music and then he would like play a an excerpt of it, uh make, a loop, and then play over that and make a loop, and he would build an entire song from it. And I remember when he would do that live, everyone was always like, Wow. The first time I saw Andrew Bird do that live, blew my mind. Andrew Bird's probably the best person at that's like currently performing. Yeah. Cause he would whistle in like eight different octaves and build a a you know, a chorus of whistles. Yeah. First time I saw him was at the pageant, another wonderful St. Louis music. This is actually just a conversation about St. Louis music venues. On the Del Mar Loop. Yeah, baby. We used to live there. The best. Oh yeah. Um again, not to make this all too much about music and fashion, but the the two are similar in that they're creative expressions, but they're also ways that people build identities, right? Like the bands people listen to, whether you know that's communicated through them having it on their iPhone or saved in a Spotify playlist or like a band t shirt or whatever, people form id identities that are public and private out of that in the same way they do with clothes, right? It's a it's a very similar thing. Through self expression too. I mean music when you're you know, when you're playing it or writing it, it's your own form of like self expression and art and the same thing with like your clothes and how you want to present yourself to the world. I mean so much of it is again like you know, coming back to this like I want to be accepted. I I want to show you a piece of who I am or what I can create and I'm gonna put myself out there to you and I hope that this is something you're gonna embrace. Which is why it hurts so bad when they don't
Unknown . Yeah. The the music and clothes thing is is an interesting sort of similar playing field because you have like it's not only what you listen to or what you wear, but it's also how you decide to interface with the existence of the media. Oh yeah. So if you like if if you're if you're the type who found their generation of music and you're just saying like you're just it's Dave Matthews, that's what it is, that's where it is. I'm not looking at the case, man. Yeah. Besides only baby. It'll be you two, it'll be fish, it'll be Dave Matthews, it'll be you can tell w how old I am by these statements, these people that that I would talk to and and then be like, Well what about this band like I I can I have enough songs already? Like Yeah. I think I'm kinda there and but you see the same thing with clothes where like you hit a stride at a certain point in your life and you kinda like locked in. You see it with haircuts where somebody f kind of locks in on a haircut that worked when they were like 35 and then they just hang on to it. Yeah. Right? And and you see the same thing with clothes and you see the same thing with music. And then there's people who interface with the opposite where the fact that it's new is a big part of that value. Yeah. Whether it's how it's being worn, how you listen to it, where you listen to it, where you find it, the fact that it's not on Spotify or not on Apple, it's through these subchannels, is part of its intrinsic value as an overall experience. And that could be the same thing with clothes that you can't buy online, that you can't go to a store to see, that you can't and and I it's it's an interesting there's some weird like overlaps in the treatment of that media, I think. Yeah, I mean definit
Unknown ely something that I think not not to segue, but you can if you want. Tossing it out there. Uh in the watch world. That's what happens when you bring other podcast hosts on your podcast. Or cross hosting. Yeah, like in in the hosting of it. Into no, I'm just saying like into the watch world and like how you see some of these brands and these people that, you know, y it's funny, like people's new online strategies these days are to air quote not have an online strategy and the fact that like, oh, we're not gonna have a site, it's a landing page. And somewhere on that landing page is a link. And it's basically just a mail to and all it is is an email address. And you're like, Wow, that's so deep and next level online digital marketing man. Uh but it kinda works. But yeah, I mean it's what essentially is zine. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It works. It also makes me want to punch whoever decided that. L
Unknown ike just have a have a goddamn website. If you're an enthusiast and that's how you get to interface with the brand, super. If you're a working professional that has to interface with the brand, and what you get is please give me your email address and someone may get back to you at some point. You're like, I I can't work on this schedule. Yeah, I can't, I can't do this. Yeah
Unknown , man. You guys are deep in that world. Yeah. For sure. I'm just loving on the outside. You know, I wonder for we'll we'll get to watches specifically in a second, but in in this world more generally, and it applies to watches too. You know, J James brought up that idea that like the thing you can't get or the thing that not everybody can see or have access to has like a certain cachet to it. Mm-hmm. But I wonder if there's that much stuff that's like that anymore. Like in in the music world, right? Like I rem I had a friend in college who ran our college radio station. And like he was my music guy. Like he would come in and be like, hey dude, somebody who runs the radio station at a different college who I met at this conference gave me a burned CD of this like diplo mixtape that he made at some club that was like some crazy thing. And it would be like this totemic object, right? It's like a little jewel case with like a shitty homeburn CD in it. But it was like music that only we had. And like we would D DJ at events and stuff. And like if you showed up with that and you could play that, it was a thing that like everybody in the room was like, what is this? Like it was like magic, right? Yeah. But like that doesn't exist anymore because it would just end up on Spotify and everybody would have it. And like I wondered, does that stuff still happen? Like I I genuinely
Unknown don't know. Can you still have that? Yeah. I think I think you you get you see it in like the SoundCloud space is like people will know about these channels to have five listeners or to twenty-five listeners, like no followers and and then like two weeks later you go back to that same account, some SoundCloud rapper with an insane Instagram, and they've got like half a million plays in in a week and a half. And it's it's definitely not the probably not the same as like having something but there's definitely people who are right in that they're on the inflection point between unknown and known. And I don''t think thats the same with people who were making those C
Unknown Ds at one point. I mean a perfect example of that is someone uh like Jeremy Dean of uh air quote Dean's Nuts, that is his his Instagram handle. Um as a side note, he's also John Mayer's creative director and and he does all the merch for the Grateful Dead. Oh, cool. But he has and built this uh online shop and presence more or less through his Instagram where you can buy it through like I I think it's like big cartel actually. And it's not even like a masked domain. You know, like he's very open that it's basically like, you know, wonder's a black flag at you know dot big cartel dot com. Yeah. And it's only open for a limited time and he does a short run of shirts. And usually the shirts are a combination of this you know logo, which is the uh grateful dead Steal Your Face mixed with the Black Flag logo and it's we can discover the wonders of black flag. And they're like the hottest shirts and everyone's always trying to get the shirts. But you know, it's only when you know he'll post it and you know now that darn Instagram algorithm you don't always know if you're gonna get it, if it's gonna pop up. So he's always like, yo, turn on post notifications. But you know, he'll post a a shirt on his Instagram and it's sells out in what like forty-five minutes, sixty minutes, something like that? Sure. And then it's gone. And I think you know, channels like Instagram or places like that allow you to do some of these like pop up little brands and boutiques and and when you're able to make that, yeah. Like I'll see a guy wearing uh a Dean's Nuts shirt and you're just like, Alright, like I I know how you got that. Okay. You were you were waiting for that link to drop. I get it. But that's effort effort and enthusiasm. That's the cool thing though, right? Is like you see it and what that tells you is you you now know a whole lot about that person, right? Yeah. Like you know not just like a thing they're into, but you know how they approach things. You know like somet
Unknown hing about their temperament. But like with your with your reference to St. Louis bars that only select group of people would know or these shirts, it's the that idea of a uh shibboleth. Yeah,ah, ye yeah. Uh like a a word that you know, like it uh uh I think the modern interpretation would be you know like squirrel is hard to say if you're not an English. The word squirrel, especially like for Germans and Austrians. Oh, flex. Um it's uh like that that word doesn't come together so well in in pronunciation. But that was that was the concept was you could show that you were from a certain tribe by pronouncing the word correctly. Okay. And that was when they need to differentiate in in the the biblical stories, they would use this term, I believe, to differentiate uh impostors attempting to gain access to their tribe that were actually their enemies and people who are actually from the tribe could pronounce this word correctly. Drop that knowledge bomb. I love it.. Yeah, man But if it's but this is why we have James on. But in in the same in the same concept, you have local references to tiny clubs, or you have a t-shirt that when you see it, you go like that's not casual. Yeah. Yeah. That' thats a pro move. You were waiting for that to drop, buddy. Somebody had to do this, these five steps. That's the that's the Konami code at the start of the game, like got you right where you needed to be. Like it's these references. And I think I think like it's it's I love that I think I think that's like one of the most fun things is like I'm a car guy, deep car guy, and when you come to me and you you start with like a model number for the car. So not the model that like if it's a three a BMW's three series, it's not like that it was a three thirty five, like it says that on the trunk, bro. But like what what what generation it is. I gotta get you like a bumper sticker or something. It says that on the trunk, bro. It's like it's like the you tell me the reference number or you go deeper and then like if you can start like so if I don't get them like, oh I'm co there's a learning opportunity here and there's like some some tribe knowledge that I think you can pick up from these things. Ooh, okay. It's cool. I'm in man
Unknown . I'm in. I'm vibing. I think your uh shibboleth is the Ted Drews hat. Yeah. Oh dang, yeah, you're right. See I don't know what's a Ted Drews hat. Tell people about the Ted Drews hat. Okay. So I ha this is just the St. Louis cast. Yeah, sorry. Yeah. S S T L Pod, whatever. Andy Cohen, if you want to come on and do a full on St. Louis episode. Um so there is a frozen custard place called Ted Drews. It has been open for Wait, are these in the airport? Well, so here's the thing. Guy in a yellow shirt, it's like a picture looked like it was taking on somebody's cell phone and Yes. But the yeah, so the original Ted Drews, I believe, off of Chippewa, shout out Chippewa. Um it's frozen custard. And it was done by a guy named Ted Drews and still family owned and operated. Um as a s just as a fun fact, if you ever go to Shake Shack and you have the frozen custard, Danny Meyer, who's also from St. Louis. Yep. That was uh he said it was inspired by Ted Drews. I see. Um but if you work at Ted Drews, you get a yellow hat. It's just a little yellow baseball hat. And the logo is like, you know, kind of kitschy. Um and it's just says, you know, Ted Drews, Frozen Custard, St. Louis, Missouri, blah blah blah. And uh my little brother worked there for a long time and me being a bald boy, uh, no hair and, whenever I go out in the sun, my scalp burns in about ten seconds. I've always worn a baseball hat, something like that to put on. And my little brother gave me this Ted Drews hat that's yellow. It's again it',s like it it's one of those things that's like it's so weird and ugly that it kinda goes with everything I have. It's like just this weird yellow hat. That's great. Um but I was like, oh dude, can you get me some more? And he was like, Well, no, like that that's my hat. Like, and so over the years, my little brother more or less like if you show up at work, like say you go to Starbucks and you don't have your apron, you just grab another apron and you wear that. Uh he just kind of did that for a few years with these Tedrews yellows. And to where like next thing you know, I get a box of like ten hats. You know, and because it's an ice cream shop, there's chocolate syrup on some of it. Like which I don't by the way how chocolate syrup gets on your Yeah, I wasn't I wasn't gonna give you a hard time about that, but yeah. Sometimes you go to party. But but uh so I I went and I like went to this fancy dry cleaner in Arizona. Like I didn't go there, but you like mail your stuff to there and I asked them to clean all these hats and they meticulously clean these these like, you know, hats that are worth nothing, but they're everything to me. And so I love wearing it and it's kind of like my little reminder of where I'm from and this like ugly hat that just won't go away. I've probably worn them now for maybe like five or six years
Unknown . That's fun. Yeah. I know I saw like I I recognized when you said the frozen custard and I I put two two together 'cause we were we were in St. Louis for a chute for a project for Hodinky and uh when I was at the airport they had like machines where you could buy the frozen custard and it was just like pictures of
Unknown people holding it upside down. Yeah, well because the the concrete right is so thick, yeah, you can hold it upside down and it won't fall out. But here's the thing that's real life. You can't hold it upside down that long. It's hot outside, man. It's super hot outside. Anyone who's been to St. Louis between like April and October nos it' spicy.. Super hot assets Very spicy. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's talk about some watches. Let's do it. I know you used to write about watches for Esquire, which we talked about. But you know, you've you've kind of your watch taste has evolved, I would say, uh, in certain ways. And in certain ways you kind of have like a I would say core taste. Uh how did you kind of arrive at that taste and how would you describe it? How would you describe your sort of like watch stick? Um there's this hole in the ground and I just take lots of money and I dump it in there. Sweet. And in that hole exists uh watch redials and all the like funny, silly mistakes that you make on eBay wait at night between the hours of 10 PM and 2 a.m. And you think, sure, that's gotta be a good deal, right? Yeah. So so so much of you know, that was a very dramatic way of just saying like so much of everything I learned about watches was really through trial and error and really uh leveraging and leaning on the community. Um I mean I I'm on all the goofy message boards, you know, the the network fifty four message boards, the you know, the omega boards and you know, all that goofy inside baseball stuff where I can go in there and take pictures of things and kind of ask people um what it is. I I've you know, always loved smaller watches like little tiny, like little tutor oyster prints, um, you know, little things like that that also you could find for a relatively inexpensive amount. Um I think I got a couple that you know were like two, three hundred dollars each, you know, at one point. And uh like that was just like where I I got kind of nuts. Like just going down that rabbit hole over and over again. Um as a funny story, that this is thanks to the Hodenki fam. Um I remember Ben had texted me and he was like, hey, I got, you know, there's someone in the office. I know you'd want to meet this person. Like, you should come by. And I was like, oh, who who could it be? Who could it be? And uh I'm wearing my little like like tutor oyster prints or whatever at the time. Um, and I show up at the office and there is the Don himself, Laurent Ferrier, just like chilling, hanging out with the whole Hodinki crew. Wow. And uh first off, it was amazing, it was incredibly generous of of Ben to, you know, invite me. And it's not like I like even hung out with the guy very long. I just got to like sit next to him and chat with him for like a minute. And I remember he saw the watch I was wearing and he was like, oh, you know, what is that? What you're wearing? He's like, it's very beautiful. Let me see it I was like okay yeah and I take off my watch and I show it to him and he's like uh he's like this is really nice this is great and he's like um I was like yeah what do you think of it is it's special. I was like, is the dial original? Is this you know I, started asking him all this stuff and I remember him saying, like, do you like it? And I was like, yeah. He's like, It's beautiful then. And I'm like, oh man, my head like exploded and like hit the back of the wall. Cause I was like, oh wow, like like he's yeah. He's like, you like this, this makes you happy, it's beautiful. And I was i it it blew my mind and I really mark that as the I mean that's like my Ebenezer right there of like all of the understanding and love of watches is like, yeah, but it it makes you happy. And you it who cares if it's you know, because I was like, oh look at the crown, it's it's a brevet crown, I think it's you know, and he's like kind of like giggling like, you know, this goofball this idiot cares what a crown is on this forty year old watch. Yeah. And but at the you know, and the truth is the watch isn't even really that special. I think it was like restored. There's it's not worth anything. But because of that moment in time that was created, like that just magnified and my like love of just watches that, you know, really have no other value uh than the fact that they make me happy. Uh versus like, oh, I bet I can get this as an investment piece. Like any there's no watch I've ever bought or can think of that I will buy as a air quote investment piece. It's just if it makes me happy, that's that's why I'm getting it. And you know. So it's also why I don't own a fifty seven eleven. Zing You you are wearing though a pretty hot watch. I I am. Uh this is the BLNR, the Batman. Uh, but the it's one of the last, I I hope it is. I got it in February uh 2019. So right before they announced the updated Batman with the new movement and the Jubilee um bracelet. And this was a watch that uh yeah, I don't know if this ever happens to you guys. Like you meet someone and you know, uh being in the watch world sometimes people are really generous to each other. And I met a guy and he was like, Oh, you know, I I like your sub. I was wearing a sub at the time and um he had a Pepsi on the, uh steel ceramic Pepsi, right? And I was like, wow, like that's that's so great. And he uh was like, oh like you know, if you ever want one of these, I could probably link you up to someone. I bet I could connect you to someone. Oh, okay. And I was so excited and I thought it was gonna happen that I sold all these watches to make sure I was ready to do it. And it uh kinda never happened. And it was a bummer. Yeah You're not the only person I think who made that move. Yeah. It was a bummer. But uh I remember I was lamenting this to a friend of mine and he was like, oh, you know, like you should just like go to a store and you know just go put your name on a list. Like, go just like talk to them try. Try to to make a relationship with someone. Keep trying to do it. And I didn't give up. And eventually I got a phone call and they were like, Hey, uh, you have a Batman here for you. Are you interested? And I was like, Oh my gosh. Yes, the the B O and R. Okay. Uh yeah, yeah. Sure. And it was the fastest I've ever tried to give so much money away. And I'm glad I did because otherwise, you know, like the the price of this is somewhat absurd and it was just sitting into a bank account like I was just waiting for the next like dope shoe or piece of clothing or suit to pop into my head for me be like, you know, I don't even really need You know, I I I think like I'm sure this is like that with some of you guys, so much of the like watches and things like that that you own are just little senses like little accomplishments and little things like that that you do it and how you got it. Um and I this could watch could go up the you know, a gajillion percent in value and I'm probably never gonna sell it. It's you know, like I'm just not in that world anymore. Yeah. But yeah. And like you bought it at retail, your name's on the papers, the whole thing. Yeah, that is something I'm very proud of. Yeah. It's the first, you know, I've been like buying watches for around like, I don't know, maybe 10 years, off and on, like from little things to big things. And it's the first watch I've ever got where on that Rolex card, it says Jeremy Kirkland and that's a good feeling. That's a good feeling. It's not some name that I don't know who it is or where they're from or that I looked up on LinkedIn. Sure, maybe I did that. That's a new one. I've actually never heard of somebody stalking the names on their papers through. That's a great idea. All right. New new thing to go do tonight. Yeah. It' its just cool. Do you do you find that you know, I I kinda got into the watch world through the fashion world. Yeah. Uh and thinking back, it's hard for me to get a good sense because I think I've I've the memory's been so clouded now by years of all watches all the time. But what have you seen a change in how the fashion world kind of embraces and interacts with watches over the last number of years, or do you think it's it's stayed kind of the same? I've I have a hard sense a hard time getting a sense of what role watches really play in the kind of like broader fashion world? Well, I mean, I would say for you guys, you're, you're like, you're in that world, but the world that you guys are in, you've created this other one that have really made people uh be far more interested in watches than anyone could ever believe. I mean, this is I love Hudinky and I will plug you guys forever. But the world you guys built and the awareness that you created of watches uh is mind boggling to me. And I think because of that you can see that, especially in the fashion world. Because look, you always would meet that magazine editor who would say that he was excited because Rolex came out with a blue face watch this year. No name. That was that was like the world this guy was in. He would just say like, oh it's a blue face watch. We're like, what what? What are you talking about? But that was what it was. But now people are like shouting out reference numbers. People are like, Oh, you know, I'm I'm really looking for a sixteen six ten with that and you're like, wait, where is that? Oh, it's because they were on some reference points video. Like, that's something that I think you guys did that's probably bigger than the fashion world. I mean it's you know, like random guys that I know trying to tell me about a website that they're trying to get like a gnomos from. And you're just like, wait, you know about gnomos? That's my thing, man. You're not supposed to know about that. That's my radio head. That's my okay computer. Exactly. Exactly. But uh yeah, I mean I I would say that that world has become very aware and receptive to it as just these little I mean, it would be a lie to say that there's an aspect of fashion uh that isn't about flexing. Like there is 100% an aspect of fashion where you see those guys out there and they're trying to wear that Daytona that they paid 3x retail for, or something like that, because they want to flex. Like, and so that' thats's something happened you know I mean because that always existed right I mean you look at stuff in you know in the 70s like you had like sliced alone who wanted a gold submariner because of the almond brothers right like you you want that flex, you want to have that thing in there. So yeah, I mean if it's fashion's definitely like embrace that head on. So and I me
Unknown an maybe maybe now less less so than in the past, but it it is kind of like depending on the watch, it's a calling card that you're part of the tribe already. Oh yeah. I mean you you definitely meet people who had m more money than knowledge. And they they bought that Paul Newman, they bought the pump pusher, they bought something special that that is something that used to be reserved to a real deep nerd. Yeah. With that that also happened to have enough money to make it happen. Yeah. So you see that occasionally, but I would say for the most part, like if you see a a vintage Rolex on someone's wrist, there's only like two or two stories you come across. They're deep into it and that's why they they're into it. And that they may or may not be deep in the fashion world or know anything else about like trendiness of which watches could could be lumped into, especially vintage. Yeah. Um and or you meet someone who's like, oh, I bought it when I was at twenty-one, it's been on my wrist for 30 years. Do you think I should get it serviced? Yeah. Like it's the same thing every time. They have no idea you're like, oh, that's a it's rad GMT master, and they're like, oh, that's what it says on the dial. Yeah. Yeah
Unknown . What's wrong with you? Man, you got good eyesight, buddy. Are you sick? Okay. Um my only thing I would say to anyone who's listening to this is to never say oh this old thing whenever someone like points out your watch. Don't say it's an old thing. You know exactly what it's this old thing? Oh yeah yeah yeah. No man that's a sick watch. The low key the low-key flex is way more obnoxious than the high key flex, for sure. I met a guy once, um, he's probably listening to this, so I won't say his name, but he uh he I've we were like getting drinks and he had a platinum Nautilus on. And I was like okay. And I was like that's a really nice I was like, yeah, he's like, I think it's p uh Patek Philip Philip. And I was like, oh I was like Patek Philippe, yeah, that that's be aautiful watch. And he's like, oh, this old thing? And he sets it down on the table and the clunk, that clunk you heard from the platinum hitting the table. You were just like, boom, the ripple that happened throughout the bar. I was like, wow. People can't tell, but I have a giant shit eating grin on my face right now. That makes me so happy. But he's like, oh yeah, this thing, yeah, I've had it for a while. Yes, you have. And you will. Yeah. Jeez. We saw a guy rocking a platinum Daytona at lunch today. Really?
Unknown Shout out to uh Sugarfish and uh Soho. Guy sitting right next to us. Dude, he was eating ginger like it was going out of style.
Unknown Platinum Daytona on. Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's a a f a good friend of mine and his father has been buying and collecting watches just for fun. Like his dad's not even really into watches, but it's just something that he it was basically like his car garage, right? So a lot of people you you you get some money and you start trying to find a way to like put it into something. So instead of buying cars, he's collecting watches. This guy every day, he's wearing a G-Shock. He's walking around wearing a G-Shock, but he's got every, you know, he's got an original, he's got that Rolex green dial that is you know never been opened things links haven't been changed he just gets them and he puts them away and a part of me I was like that's great but I was also like that's kind of a bummer like I don't you wanna wear those?' Dont you do wanna that? But it's like the thing where you buy a pair of new shoes and you're so excited about them and you do one of two things. You either wear them the day you bought them, 'cause you you like almost like, I'll wear them out, sir, you know, like like that kind of thing. No, sir, I'll be leaving with these on. Yeah, exactly. It's either that or they sit in a closet for like eight months. Cause you're like, oh I can't I can't fuck these up. Yeah. Like, oh no. I'm gonna put creases in them? What? No. Heavens You're right, man. You got you gotta wear that. You gotta put that ding in there. I remember with just with the the watch I'm wearing now, I it's a you know, it's a desk diver. And I remember I I like lifted up my hand, like I don't know, scratch my face or something, and I saw all the little scratches in the bracelet, and a part of me was like, Oh no. It was like that that that rose from Beauty and the Beast, you just saw that little that little petal fall and hit the ground. I was like, I was like, no, this is okay. This is good. This this was made to be worn. You know, peop people go in the field in this thing. But you're like, even more than having your name on the papers, those scratches make it yours. That's right. That's yours now. That's my scratch, baby. Yeah. It's yours. It's all your hard work. Yeah, all my hard work, all those hot memes I was trying to make on Twitter. All that sick podcasting. All wrapped up in those scratches. So many memes. So many memes. That's the thing I miss about the days of uh menswear tumbler or the memes. It's much harder to find good menswear memes these days. It's very true. Have we yeah. I can't remember. Have we talked about fuck yeah menswear on this show before? Not on this episode, but not on this episode for sure, but I can't remember where they came. I don't know. Either way. Those were the days. That's I'm I'm gonna be an old person now and be like, those are the days of the uh the menswear internet. Fuck yeah, menswear. I'm gonna let the listeners know. So what what Steven was referring to is there was a Tumblr called Fuck Yeah menswear. Um and as a side note, that was uh a play on the F yeah whatever title it was. So there was like F yeah Corvettes, F yeah Ferrari, F yeah all these different types of things that were within Tumblr. Right. And there was one that was fuck yeah menswear. And that was done by a guy named Kevin Burroughs and Lawrence Schlossman. Kevin Burroughs who's now a hilarious comedy screenwriter out in LA, uh, who at the time, I think he was I don't know, he's like working for DreamWorks as a as a editor, producer, and uh and Lawuren Schassmann, who I think was working for BPMW at the time, and they wrote probably some of the most like dry, hilarious satire, uh, all anonymously things about like how obsessed people were in to clothes. And like, you know, that that stor it's like you would read that and you would laugh at it, but you'd also like kinda sweat a bit because you knew at one point that person was you. Yeah. Whereas like you're buying things to collect them and you're not wearing them, you're not enjoying them. You're you know, like all of it was just like hyper magnified and it was amazing. And everyone on the internet was like obsessed with it. And it was that thing where speaking of sweating about it, like anytime you put a photo of yourself wearing anything on the internet, or like you know, if you were lucky enough that you got your photo taken by the sartorialist or whatever, you just prayed that Lawrence and Kevin, who you didn't know at the time were behind it, you just prayed that these anonymous guys would not get a hold of this photo because you were like, oh, I'm gonna get roasted so hard. Oh yeah. There's always that there's that one of my favorite memes is like how you think you look versus how you actually look. And oh that that was on there. So good. Yeah. Uh so while we have you here, it's summer. I don't know about you guys dressing in the summer. Such pain a in the ass. It's too hot. Can't wear anything I like, whatever. I loathe and detest the summer. You have any uh summer fashion advice for us? Hm I know you're not a stylist, but you have been in a previous life. I have been a stylist at one point. I know. Talk to me
Unknown talk to me about some trends. How about um bucket hats? Bucket hats? Man, I'm all on that bucket hat
Unknown . Yeah, you're on that train. Did you ever leave that train? Unfortunately. No, I never left that train. Well, then. I I joined that train. Jeremy's the conductor of the bucket hat train. Yeah. Everybody aboard. Be being a bald boy, you just get really into hats, man. You get all into hats and bucket hats and all that. Um I would say like the stuff that a lot of people are in now is you know like fashion's like kind of embracing this sort of oh we want to be a little bit sustainable, but we can't really because we're also trying to make a product and sell a product. So let's find a common middle ground that we can do. So like a lot of brands are now doing some of this upcycled stuff. Yeah. So you have like Xenia, their most recent like spring-summer collection, was a big you know discussion about how like this is made from old Zenya in a way. Like this is recycled fabrics and recycled yarns. Um, which is, to be honest, any progress is good progress. And I think when people are like, that's not good enough, like, sure, fine, you're right, it's not good enough, but it's still something, and you know, you're not doing much by sitting there and whining about it on Twitter. So you know, embrace it or keep going. Um, but like Xenya's doing that, and then you have um Atelier in Repairs, which is like one of my favorite brands. And a lot of the stuff that they do is it's run by a guy named Maurizio Donati and uh they will take like old Levi's five oh one jeans and they will just fix 'em up. They'll replace them. They'll uh they'll darn the denim, which is basically a fancy word for how you would patch up denim with like denim fabric. Um you know, like you actually sew it back into place, uh like recreate it per se. Um and they'll y use like old vintage fabrics and they'll kind of like add patches and things like that to the jeans to you know give life to m I think their their taglines like waste less, imagine more. But uh so yeah, I don't know. Think big, it's it's it's a Willy Wonka clothing factory, but I think uh you see a lot of people that are starting to kind of like bring that in with like the combination of tailored stuff in the summer. A lot of that's uh people big on the overshirts, like the like the boys at Drake's and a lot of other people. Yeah. We're on that game. Well I mean 'cause it's you know when you think about how the office is more and more casual these days, people are like, yeah, like I just w lookanna a little bit better than that one guy that I don't like as much. Right. I don't wanna be the shmo at the office. So I'm gonna wear a shirt jacket. Yeah. So you you know, you wear your shirt, but then you have like that other type shirt. And so a lot of people are doing like old military shirts or things like that that are like repurposed or patched. Um you know like Drake's does an a really fantastic like safari jacket. The Armory does one too. There's a lot of different companies out there that'll do that in which you can wear that and you put that over your button down. You know, you you you do look good at that table. You're like, yeah, I I I belong here, buddy. Uh lots of linen, lots of breathable stuff. Um you heard it first here. Go get some linen on the news, right? We can count that? Yeah. Head-to-toe linen lately. It's good. Yeah. All linen and all. Some of the Uniqlo stuff's remarkably good. So many people hate on Uniqlo, but the funny thing is like every designer and every like fashion dude they're always wearing some piece of Uniqlo. Dude Uniclo t-shirt right now. Supima baby. Love Uniqlo. Big, big fan of Uniqlo. They got some rat some great linen. Yeah. Yeah. They got your socks. They got your basics. All about that Uniclo train. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So Uniclo, bucket hats, linen
Unknown , were shirt jackets. Ugly sneakers. Ugly sneakers? Almost dead, are we at are
Unknown we at peak ugly sneaker yet? I wanna I wanna pull the the Laurent Ferrier thing here and just be like, are you happy? Do you like it? No. Then no for you, man. Get out. No suit for you. No. Okay. No, no, no. You can't see James is rocking these ridiculous blanks. Right now it's uh it's over the top. Those are some nice triple S's you got there. All right, drop dropping a G note to to get your shoes. I mean, I'm not into the ugly sneakers that much, but the weird thing is sometimes I look at my shoes and I realize they are ugly sneakers. So but I'm not purposely buying like two thousand dollar, thousand dollar, you know, oversized shoes. But I mean I love like old Reeboks. Any sort of basic shoe. I think the dad life, like I've you know, I've been a dad for I don't know, eighteen months, nineteen months or whatever now. And uh I was talking to like Mordecai Rubinstein, who's Mr. Mort, who's like the dad life of dad style, and his thing's like so much of what I'm putting on is basically just like what's clean and on the floor. And you're like, yeah, I think that really is dad style. You're right. Yeah. Nice. Should we uh should we do the questionnaire cultural recommendations and get out of here? Hit me. Rapid fire. Let go. First question. Okay. What's a watch that's caught your eye recently? Oh shh. Not gonna lie, man. I w I tried to get that Ouris that you guys released. Oh yeah. I was bummed. Yeah. It is fire. It's I mean, the price was good. Everything about that horse. I'm yeah. James, James, James picked one up. I copped one, yeah. I'm looking forward to it. Good for you. Yeah. Should be fun. Uh that's definitely been I mean, I've been really into that. Also, like look,, I still love Psycho Boys, man. I love buying We didn't even talk about Seiko Boys. This is Jeremy's hashtag of the year. Talk about Seiko Boys for a minute. I'm happy to talk about Seiko boys. Like, I love like little Seiko divers. I mean, you guys, I mean you to be honest, I'm with the the champions of Seiko's right here, but I, you know, wanted to be included. I got my you know, I I have a few Secos over the years and for me I think sometimes it's easier for me to like pretend I'm involved by just making up a word and just using it and using it so much that like it's annoying and then it's not annoying anymore because you're like, fine, like I get it, just keep going. And that's Seiko Boys. And but it's B O I, which is all inclusive, it's a gender inclusive, it's neutral, it's all that stuff. Yeah. I had a few people call me out on it, and I'm like no, no, no. We're we're we're embracing everything here. Yeah. Seiko boys for everyone. Uh we'll link up the uh Seiko Boys hashtag. Oh yeah, yeah, it's so good. But like I got a pogue, which I'd wanted for ages. Um, I mean it's just a beautiful little watch. But the downside is I wanted to get some other ones and they're going up there. If you want that ghost style 6139 or whatever it is, man, that that's up there now. It's like $1,500 for one. They used to be like two hundred. Yeah dude. Prices just keep climbing. But oh man, I love Seiko's always forever and ever. Any any little like Seiko diver. Or any of the like goofy ones too. There's a there's a Seiko someone can like tweet at me the model name or you guys and it's basically has the exact same case and bracelet of a Nautilus. It looks like identical. Oh yeah, I know what watch you're talking about. Yeah. And it's not, I mean it's not any sort of crazy fancy. It's a Seiko 5, right? Yeah. It's like a hundred and ten bucks on Amazon or something like that. Man, does that look sweet on the wrist? Oh so hot. It is hot. Um yeah. Always loving a Seiko boy. Forever. Perfect. Yep. All right. What's the best place you've traveled in the last year? Uh well I go to Florence for PTWomo, and I've that is a a town that I've been to like maybe 10 or 12 times now, and every time I go there's always some little thing like left to discover like a little street. There's a amazing restaurant there. Well not really restaurant, but uh like sandwich shop. Awful name, fantastic food. I'll take that trade. It's called sandwich chic. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Oh man. It's done by these two brothers. It's their family farm, all their family meets. Unbelievable. And it's like four or five euros for the best panino you've ever had in your life. Okay. Shout out Sandwich Chic. We going to Florence? I'm never not in Italy spiritually. Should we eat live live uh Hudinky Radio live from Sandwich Chic? Yeah. Yeah. Oh they'll they'll let you in there. Yeah? Oh yeah. Done. Uh what's the best piece of advice you've ever been given and who gave it to you? Um okay. Uh I thought I was dope. I thought I was cool and I was working at Beggars and I had helped secure some press for an artist we were working for. And whenever something like that would happen, uh the person who did it would email the company and the staff and say, like, hey, you know, here's what happened. Uh we just got a piece for this band and here's what it did. And I remember uh someone was like, Hey Jeremy, you should you should let everyone know that that piece ran. He's like, Yeah, yeah. So I sent it out and I said, Hey, uh I'm happy, I set this up, nah da. I think I said I like three times. I was pretty proud of myself. And um I sent it out to everyone. And I remember getting called into a room later. It was like this is like no one had Slack. We had like a bonjour instant messenger, which was like iChat type thing. And it was like, Jeremy, can you come in here real quick? I was like, Yeah, okay. And I walk in there and he was like, Hey, what the hell was that email? And I was like, What? He was like, do me a favor. He's like, in the future, never ever, ever use a I when you work on a team. He's like, it's always we. He's like, you he's like, you didn't create that pitch, you didn't sign that artist, you didn't do this, you didn't. He's like, so I never want to hear you say I ever again. He's like, it's always we. And so that's a big thing I try to do. Even when I kind of work for myself, it's always we. Never I. It's a good move. I like that. Sweet. Uh what's your biggest guilty pleasure? D watching really bad movies over and over again forever and ever. Alright, you gotta give us some of the movies now. Okay. Uh happy to. I'm a massive champion of House Guest with Phil Hartman and Sinbad. Okay. Horrible film, but it's so bad, it's a fantastic film. And I could argue that it is a cinema tour de force, my friend. It's got the amazing product placement of McDonald's in the nineties. You got so many Sinbad hot takes. Huh? Subtle. Oh no. Uh McDonald's. We're not talking subtle. We're talking like he's he's obsessed with the Big Mac. He there's a slow motion like chariots of fire of him running into McDonald's because he wants it so bad. He Sinbad lives for the Big Mac in the show or in the movie. It's fantastic. Also, heavyweights, which I had Paul Feag on uh my podcast a while ago, and he uh like the only thing I wanted to talk to him about was not that he created freaks and geeks, not about his clothes, not about anything else, but the fact that he was in heavyweights. And heavyweights is like this Disney movie about these kids that go to Fat Camp. Yeah. Um it is actually one of the first uh Judd Apatow movies ever. It's done by Judd Apatau and Steven Brill. And also had no idea that Judd Apatau made that movie. Oh, yeah. And also one of the first Ben Stiller movies ever. Because Ben Stiller plays Tony Perkis, the like crazy fitness coach. Interesting. Yeah. So I watched that movie, I don't know, four or five times a year. I'll just like if I'm having a bad day, I come home, my wife's like, Are you watching heavyweights? What happened today? I'm like, Well it's code. Yeah. So that that's my guilty pleasure, always and forever. Awesome. Yeah. Let's uh wrap things up with a cultural recommendation. Okay. What do you got for us, Jeremy? What should uh people go check out when uh the show's over? Okay, here you go. Um I am a bit of a history junkie. I love to read books about all sorts of things that happen in history. I'm trying to be a very wide-encompassing thing, so no one thinks I'm trying to like single out anything. But there is an amazing author named William Manchester, and he wrote a book called A World Lit Only by Fire. William Manchester is probably best known for all of the biographies he did on Churchill, and also he did one af about the JFK Assassination after it happened, obviously. Um but a world lit only by fire is a portrait of the basically the dark ages up until the Renaissance, and this was a guy who got me back into like history books and nonfiction more than anyone ever has because he writes like a novel. Uh William Manchester is no longer alive. I found that out when I tried to contact him and was told he died in 2004. Uh but rough re rough request. Rough rough request. But uh yeah like I you know the other book that I've been reading by him is uh The Glory in the Dream, which is basically a portrait of the United States from the nineteen thirty two to nineteen seventy seven. Okay. And it is fantastic. So awesome. History books. Very cool. Perfect. Yeah. I thought you were gonna pull a full dad move and r recommend like a World War Two book I know, I should right. I'm like, uh this book called Band of Brothers. Yeah, exactly. Nah fam. Full dagger. Yeah.
Unknown Close though. James, what do you got for us? Mine's a book. Could also be considered a well not considered, but it certainly is a history book as well. It's by a writer named AJ Baim and it is a called uh Go Like Hell, and it's the story of Ferrari and Ford in the late sixties. Uh it's a really the story of Ford and an an a vendetta that was created between Henry Ford II and Enzo Ferrari um for a number of reasons that's you really have to read the book to understand. But the reason I bring it up is because um the I guess relatively aptly named but not that creatively named Ferrari v. Ford or Ford v. Ferrari, I don't actually remember which one they picked on for the movie, is now has a trailer and it's got Christian Bale and Matt Damon playing two of the main characters. So that's the s the the the the key work in this entire world, which then informed a movie which is very good called Twenty Four Hour War. But the key work uh of what I believe to be one of the greatest stories of the American America's age of ingenuity, short of like NASA and and what they were able to do, what Ford did was crazy. Uh the history of Ferrari is equally as crazy. These are uh like Ford's been around a really long time. Ferrari by the same scale hasn't. The dude just died not that long ago that literally started the company, and he didn't when he was like insanely young. Like it was uh it was you know it's a thing. They they they're l a little over seventy years old and they come from two entirely different parts of the world, but two whole different worlds culturally, and then Henry II with his like we will not lose to the Italians, World War III style. It was crazy. It's so good. It's beautifully written and it it's full of all you get racing drivers' perspectives, you get the raw historical data, and then you get these inside looks from people who were around these men as they decide as they as you know, fate and then some relatively mean proceedings led to some vindictive feelings which led to I mean the a a period of like rapid change in the entire landscape of automobile in North America because uh Ford decided they had to beat Ferrari at a game that Ferrari c was almost unbeatable at
Unknown nice yeah awesome hit me what do you got all right no way can you moderate and not participate I'm gonna recommend a new record uh has a terrible name but uh the new black keys record, which is called Let's Rock in Quotes. Oof. Uh terrible. I I'm just praying that it's meant ironically. But uh yeah, I love the black keys. I've long loved the black keys and sort of fearful when I saw a new record was coming out. They haven't put one out in a while. I was like, oh is this gonna be like Yeah man. Is this gonna be that classic thing where they like kind of petered out, played the old stuff for a while and then they tried to do something new and it just like doesn't work. Uh it totally works. It's great. It's a little bit different. It's a little poppier, a little uh I would say a little more like summer jams, but it's great. It's honestly it's awesome. Drove out to the beach the other day, put it on the car stereo and just went. It's a awesome. What day and age to listen to new music. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Good to hear. Uh yeah. So yeah, that's what I'm listening to right now. Highly recommended if you're into that sort of thing. There you go. That sounds great. Good thing it's a four day weekend. There you go. Yeah. If you're listening to this, the four day weekend just ended. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry guys, Monday scaries. It was a four day weekend. I hope everybody loved it. We had a great time. Yeah. Uh sweet. Thanks for joining us, man. This was a lot of fun. Have to have you back sometime. Huge pleasure and an honor. I love you guys. Thank you so much. This is great. Thanks, dude. This week's episode was recorded at Mirror Tone Studios in New York City and was produced and edited by Grayson Korhonen. Please remember to subscribe and rate the show. It really does make a difference for us. Thank you for listening and we'll see you next week.