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Watches & Wonders 2025: Daily Episodes Live From Geneva | Day 4

Published on Fri, 4 Apr 2025 22:27:11 +0000

Day 4 – Sinn, Bulgari, Laurent Ferrier, Parmigiani, and more.

Synopsis

This episode of Hodinkee Radio is recorded on day four of Watches and Wonders 2025 in Geneva, featuring hosts James Stacey, Malaika Crawford, Mark Kauzlarich, and Tim Barber. The team discusses their favorite discoveries from the show, with James highlighting a new Sinn chronograph GMT dive watch with a jumping GMT hand priced around $3,500. Malaika expresses excitement about Bulgari's new Serpenti Aeterna cuff watch and the updated automatic Serpenti movements, while Mark praises the impossibly thin Bulgari Octo Finissimo Ultra and shares his appreciation for Zenith's revival of the Caliber 135 and Patek Philippe's eight-day Calatrava with blue dial.

The conversation touches on the overwhelming scale of Watches and Wonders, with Tim Barber sharing his first-time impressions of the massive show and the elaborate brand booths, particularly noting Patek Philippe and Rolex's multi-story constructions. The team discusses watches they wish they'd seen, including Chanel's baguette-set X-ray watch and Van Cleef & Arpels' eight-million-franc planetarium clock covered in lapis lazuli and diamonds. Malaika commends Patek Philippe for creating a modern women's watch with a complication (the perpetual calendar reference 7140) without gem-setting, calling it a significant development. Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the value of building relationships with brand leaders and experiencing the craftsmanship and passion behind haute horlogerie in person.

Transcript

Speaker
James Stacey This week's episodes of Hodinky Radio are proudly sponsored by our partners at UBS. Stay tuned later in the episode for what we're planning this year in celebration of all things horology. And keep an eye out for the return of UBS House of Craft Hello and welcome to day four watches and wonders. This is of course Hodinky Radio. My name is James. I'm joined by Maleka, Mark, and Tim. We're moving quickly because it was a very busy day at the show. I hope you guys have been enjoying the daily episodes. I I had a really fun day. This is the usually on Friday I try and leave uh Pal Expo for at least part of it and see some of my other favorite brands. That's
Malaika Crawford pretty n
James Stacey The sunshine is sunshining.
Malaika Crawford On Wednesday I left the Palaxbo for an hour. That
James Stacey 's illegal. And um I went into
Malaika Crawford town, got a cold brew from Starbucks, and came back.
James Stacey I've never had a cold brew in this country.
Malaika Crawford Cold brew from Starbucks. I was like, I'm gonna I thought I was gonna like I I was losing my mind. So and I went outside. I took a car to town, got a call brew came back. I like
Tim Barber how you're confessing this on the podcast. Why not
Malaika Crawford ? Let the people know how tough it is in the Bellexpa
James Stacey . All right, so there's obviously lots of watches and of course cold coffee to talk about.
Tim Barber And wonders. And wonders. Some wonders
James Stacey , including cold coffee in in Geneva. Um, but yeah, I think the the main thing that I would just establish is like we've got a couple episodes in the bank that are Rolex to Tutor Cardi heavy. Let's shift to some other stuff. What did you guys see that you were really pumped about today? I saw some stuff I can kick off if if that's easier. I mean you seem exc
Mark Kauzlarich ited, so let's go for it. Yeah, so
James Stacey uh the uh first stop today for me uh was with Zinn, one of my favorite brands, German sports watch brands. If you don't know them, they're like very cool, calculating, dialed kind of high spec sports watches. And they have uh uh several new models, but the one I was most interested in is a chronograph GMT dive watch, and this is kind of what the brand excels at, which is not super large, but fairly from a sport watch world, complicated models. And they've developed uh a new module and with their movement maker, they were able to essentially now industrialize the movement, so it'll be end up in other watches, but they were able to take you know the the functionality of say a 7750 or uh an SW500 and parlay that into having a jumping GMT hand. So it's still a caller GMT, but it jumps, it's the right size, it's you know, in 41 millimeter range, and the pricing's really good. And I I just I wanted to see it. And you see it on paper and you go like I've owned of several watches very similar to this, of course. And it it's great. I really like it. I think uh it comes in uh I think around thirty five hundred bucks, which for a chronograph and a GMT feels pretty reasonable. And you know, if you're into the Zen vibe, it has the it has the aesthetic sensibilities of a stop sign. It's just pure legibility. But yeah, it's
Malaika Crawford fun
James Stacey Sure. The last appoint I the last
Mark Kauzlarich appointment was special. I love it. This is this
James Stacey is the sleep deprived special for everybody watching. We l
Tim Barber ost the plot a long time. We're just tod
James Stacey ay's just the fun. I was born without the pl
Malaika Crawford ot. I went to Bulgary with Mark and uh I think we were lucky enough to see uh obviously the ultra, which we're saying. You
Mark Kauzlarich know what I'm gonna say. Yeah, but we also
Malaika Crawford saw Wait, wait, wait, wait, we'll just quick one second
James Stacey , because I saw the ultra when it the original model when it came out, and I've said this before, I've said in writing and probably say too much. That watch, much like the uh Richard Mill UPO1, it's like a magic trick.
Malaika Crawford Yeah, you can't process it. It's like there's that last
James Stacey moment where somebody like they tell you to take the the jack of spades out of your own wallet and you're like uh I just why what what is this? It's that they turn that watch sideways how does anything happen in there?
Mark Kauzlarich No, I and and I want you to have your turn, but I'll just I'll close the loop on this. Like uh it you don't wanna call a product stupid to the the director of the No Force but
Malaika Crawford But you did. But I did because I was like
Mark Kauzlarich that's stupid in that you just can't process this. Like it's
James Stacey it's magic trick. It's magic trick. I I you don't know
Mark Kauzlarich yeah. Pretty cool. W
Malaika Crawford ow. Jeez.
Tim Barber Solid. That was a good
Malaika Crawford solid switch. I would say but bas
Mark Kauzlarich h from the like I wanna okay, ul
Malaika Crawford tra ultra is sick, I will say. Um I'd getting to the point there where like I can't tell like it's it's millimeter. It's like
Mark Kauzlarich how do you process the like how do you the difference
Malaika Crawford so it's hard to process the difference to be honest because at that scale unit
James Stacey yep if you don't know me that well
Malaika Crawford um I have this like complete obsession and fascination with well Grace Penti, and I'm sure my colleagues have heard me talk about it enough, but uh they've redesigned Fabrizio has sorry Fabrizio Guenamasa Stigliani
Mark Kauzlarich . Give him the respect he deserves
Malaika Crawford . Um he has come out with a new sepente. It's called Atana. It's not it's not particularly watchy, it's more of a jewelry situation. But it's
Tim Barber amazing. It has a watch and it's um
Malaika Crawford absolutely stunning
Mark Kauzlarich . And I I think it the the kicker was like it's a really cool thing and I you know I photographed it so I got to handle it as well and like seeing how they make a hinged cuff.
Malaika Crawford So it's a cuff on a hinge. Uh one is
Mark Kauzlarich two hinges. One is white gold, sorry, two h
Malaika Crawford inges, one is white gold, one is uh rose gold. It's slightly more kind of conceptual than the tubergar serpente in that it's a bit more graphic it's a bit less realistic not to say that the tube is like a realistic snake but it's kind of you know, it's a little bit more conceptual and it's got loads of diamonds on the floor. Well and
Mark Kauzlarich the the white gold. We were the only press apparently that got to see that or at least US press. They asked all week. They could never get it. Ye
Malaika Crawford ah. And since I think we were one of the last appointment
Mark Kauzlarich s for them. They brought it in and it I mean like it's another one of these there's barely a surface that's not covered in diamonds.
Malaika Crawford Yeah. And it's just I I don't
Mark Kauzlarich think I've seen her happier in a long time. I haven
Malaika Crawford 't been that happy in a while to be honest. Um and just like
James Stacey me and Syn. Yeah.
Malaika Crawford Same, same, but different. Same same with that's just me and James for you, yeah. Um yeah, I felt I felt the smile expanding on my face because you know it's not it's not watchy it's a quartz movement but hey it we're here for fun.
Mark Kauzlarich It's cool. Yeah it was it was pretty cool.
Malaika Crawford And if Mark thinks it's cool that means I've got the uh watch by sealer free.
Mark Kauzlarich It's really cool. I mean, I don't wear a lot of jewelry, but I do like occasionally I'll wear a cuff on my right wrist or whatever. Like there's there's a world in which that m that styling of it might not be my thing, but I could see myself wearing I mean it's it is very conceptual. It's a really cool
Malaika Crawford It's very cool. And then they also had the new uh automatic movements fit in the serpentes. So they've done this tiny solo tempo automatic movement. Pretty cool. I tried one on. I actually could feel the difference. Uh but I'm sort of drunk on fatigue. So I'll report back.
James Stacey Well also yeah if you want to learn about that movement pay attention for the next issue of Dingi Maggie.
Malaika Crawford Yeah, yeah. Uh because you know, number one Sepenti fan in the world, maybe
Mark Kauzlarich . Um for me, so a couple interesting appointments I got to see um a another plug for the magazine uh see the revival of the caliber one
Tim Barber thirty five for zenith, which I visited uh how
James Stacey is it in person? It's really cool. I mean
Mark Kauzlarich I got to see the the actual platinum when I photographed it, I believe I photographed a um a
Tim Barber steel sort of prototype with ever
Mark Kauzlarich ything else in it, but the steel case. I got to see the the platinum version with the platinum bracelet. It was really cool. It's just, it's a good group of folks to hang out with. I really appreciate uh the team there and I also like I just appreciate the enthusiasm that they have for not just their own products but like the history um of of watchmaking. I talked to uh Laurence Boneman who at I think heritage director or or you know something like that but she's she's just passionate about anything I can send her a picture of a movement from the 1700s and she'll be like oh yeah so and so made that I'm like okay cool great that you have that memory I wish I had that, but I I love those people. But I would say like the the one that surprised me beside the ultra, which was really cool, um, and I really I really adore Fabrizio as well, but uh the eight-day Calatravo, which I think we didn't really talk about a lot, partially because it got overlooked by a really great other Cala Travo release, but um the blue dial and the lack of like tinted loom, tinted indices, that kind of thing that they've done on the past ones, uh, is it's a really cool watch. And so I I took like five minutes to shoot as much content as I could so I could maybe write a hands-on. I think that's a if you're a guy that's like, I'm only gonna wear Patek, but I want a Patek that I could wear as like a field washy kind of thing or whatever, I know it's a wild thing to say. There are probably people out there
James Stacey . Yeah, and I
Mark Kauzlarich think this is maybe the mo most interesting version of that. So that was that was a fun surprise. And also nice that Patek let us come back and see stuff again.
James Stacey Yeah, for sure. My highlights uh were actu
Mark Kauzlarich ally my my two first meetings of the day. Started the day
Tim Barber with Tantan at Resence. Yeah. Got hands-on
Mark Kauzlarich on the the uh type seven and and
Tim Barber speaking of like wanting to get outside, that
Mark Kauzlarich beautiful blue dial just made me yearn for the blue, beautiful blue sky. Such a fun
Tim Barber watch. Um nobody does like Res
James Stacey ence. Exactly. Exactly. And the tem
Mark Kauzlarich perature, the temperature gauge on there was
Tim Barber really interesting. Um, I love that. And and
James Stacey I told her not to laugh. You're good.
Tim Barber Um, and then uh
Mark Kauzlarich I also enjoyed uh uh going
Tim Barber with Mark and Rich over to Laurent Ferri
James Stacey er um and to see the classic A
Tim Barber uto Horizon. Um I just it was just so great to connect with
Mark Kauzlarich them in person and see that see that
Tim Barber watch. Um I just love speaking of blue, I guess I'm on a blue theme uh even though I'm not wearing my navy suit today. Um but another beautiful blue dial uh and we get a chance to really see what that watch has to offer. Um and
James Stacey and I know Mark's a big fan of that watch.
Mark Kauzlarich And the Laurent Ferrier thing was great and then also um you know, I we actually saw Laurent Ferrier like himself.
James Stacey Oh that's great. Just hang around and got to
Mark Kauzlarich meet folks and my French doesn't exist and his English is you, know not, his favorite language, I guess. But it was just nice to say hello. And I think that's part of the fun for me is that and then we went to Parmigiani. Michelle Parmigiani was there and just we we chatted for a little bit and and kudos to um the press person that works on the brand, um Fernanda, who translated to Italian over him and did the whole thing and and I was like, Oh, that's that's kind of helpful and funny.
James Stacey Their releases look strongly. Yeah, how's the Taric
Malaika Crawford if that baby blue? That thing is
Mark Kauzlarich okay. So the the torics, the torics with the with the perpetual calendar, really cool. I think it's interesting they you know decided to keep the toric movement that they had originally and just do a modular perpetual calendar on it and then they they've created a good base the aesthetics are really strong I think they're doing a really good job the um the sleeper for me was there was a uh Tana PF that was I think it might be there like 36 millimeter size or something, smaller size, skeletonized, and the entire skeletonized movement, uh, all the bridges, everything, like uh soft green. I've never seen that before. It's really cool. I don't know that I've ever seen like a real skeletonized colored movement like that.
James Stacey Black. Yeah, it's black, gold, silver tone. Yeah.
Mark Kauzlarich So this was green. It was like some brands
James Stacey do like a green well, it's a great does a bunch of color, but that's like a different architecture sort of thing
Tim Barber . This was this felt like a green gold alm
Mark Kauzlarich ost or something, but it was very cool. And and they've done a couple revamps of a couple watches with a little more color in the soft way that they would like to do. But that was I'll probably end up writing a hands-on I'm saying it on so now I have to do it. Um but in in the next couple weeks maybe write about these new colors and and I but again like we're all here for the product we bring the product to the people but like I'm here for the people you know because I'm not buying
Tim Barber the product. I get to see it, it's fun and so
Mark Kauzlarich see Michelle and Laurent Ferrier and and Fabrizio Bonamas Sigliani and all these people. It's been a good way to wrap up the
James Stacey Yeah, and I mean that's one of the big values of the show, and I would say it's one of the big values of Friday at the show is like things just start to dial down by twenty percent, the kind of intensity, and you do get a chance to spend some time sometimes with leaders of brands, leaders of the designs of brands and that sort of thing. And it brings me to kind of the next thing, which is in past years, we've always done episodes with people who are on their first year. Tim, like, zoom out of a little bit. You're relatively new to the watch world. Ye
Tim Barber ah. You're absolutely killing it. If if you gu
James Stacey ys have been watching all of the vagillions of videos and image, everything posted onto the Instagram went through Tim's phone at one point. And obviously, behind the camera and Dave, who's behind us here, I think he might be asleep. His desktop is
Mark Kauzlarich is white. I think he might be as
James Stacey leep. Yeah. Um, these guys have been grinding to bring these videos out, so please check out the Instagram. But Tim, aside from the workload that we handed you with posting social. W dohat you what do you think of the show? Is this do you have any frame of reference? Have you done trade shows in the past?
Tim Barber Yeah, I've done some trade shows in the running world. Um and very different. Um and I I I've been thinking about it today. It's it's overwhelming, but in the best possible way it's I had a frame I had of uh sorry I'm taking photos of things
James Stacey you also gotta get a photo oh you go again
Malaika Crawford I want the I want the I want the camera the video
Mark Kauzlarich camera to to I got him. Um
Tim Barber so um it's uh it's overwhelming in the best possible way. I you know I had heard a lot about it. We've been building up for months. I've obviously read and and seen Hodiki coverage in the past but to be able to exper
James Stacey ience it for the first time I wasn
Tim Barber 't really expect like I w I wasn't really ready for how big the show is both in terms of like physically big the booths
Mark Kauzlarich are huge uh the number of people
Tim Barber and just like the overall experience completely blew me away. And I just had such such a fun time with a great group of people. I think we just it just felt it was a true pleasure of mine to be able to be a part of uh you know the illustrious coverage that y'all have done over the years and and to be able to help add that in whatever way that that I I could. So um it was very fun. I'm I am looking forward to sleeping at some point in the in the
James Stacey not too distant future. On the plane. That's what the plane's for
Tim Barber . But yeah um you know Mark we had a great conversation before the show started and
James Stacey and you know so Mark's point like
Tim Barber he asked me uh what are you looking to get out of this this week and I said kind of to the same point like relationships like not only I want to build relationships with my colleagues this is a
James Stacey great time to to do so um because I'm I'm
Tim Barber by far the newbie here.
James Stacey And so, you know, to get off site and spend
Tim Barber a week with these great people, that was really great
James Stacey , but also to build relationships with with the
Tim Barber brands and the folks behind them because they're doing amazing stuff and they're really passionate about it
James Stacey . And it's just really I love being aro
Tim Barber und passionate people and and everybody is is is
James Stacey that here, certainly. Um running off of espresso and and and champagne. Um hopes and dreams. That's why I know hopes and dreams. But uh it's been fantastic Special thanks again to our partners at UBS for their support of Hodinky Radio. Last October, Hodinki and UBS brought together some of the most influential personalities and brands in the industry to celebrate all things watches. This year we're partnering again with expanded events across the U.S. in addition to our fall House of Craft in New York. Stay tuned to Hodinky for updates on these events and other projects with our friends at UBS. Now, back to the show
Mark Kauzlarich . I as for the massive thing, I this is like a weird thing, but I, you know, you look at these boosts and you know how big they are. But I also today Malica Rich and I went back to paddock and we went to the third floor and I was like, I've never been on the third floor floor when they do and it was just it was wild. Like they construct I we've talked about it before but they construct fully functional buildings. Yeah. And it like burl wood everywhere inside the Patek booth, like exactly what you would expect for a salon or like for Patek. You're on the third floor in a conference hall. Like
Malaika Crawford I will say there is no feeding the Patek and Rolex boots. Like the definitely like
James Stacey somebody took an entire hotel. It's ins
Malaika Crawford ane. The Rolex booth is kind of a s it's not the same as Patek, but it's like the same standard in that everything is like serene and perfect and polished and you're like, damn, okay, like guess you're gonna pack it up and rebuild it next.
Mark Kauzlarich Yeah, well, and in like Bulgary, they wanted to create a a temple, a Roman temple type feel, and like they literally have marble columns in their multiple different marbles that they turned into like the pillars. I mean, they really have uh every brand comes out and tries to like tell a story. Rolex and Pizza are from my experience generally the the same year to year, um, with a couple of tweaks, but it's still like it's impressive all the effort that goes into this. And and I you have to remember like they're here to tell their story, try to translate it to us. And so like it's a it's a part of the entirety of of what we see.
James Stacey Yeah, the the tech thing's interesting because they launched that the current booth
Mark Kauzlarich . Uh I think my first or second year
James Stacey ever in the industry at Bosworld, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. I I I could be off but I think that was the case. And walking into it is like stepping back into Basel Wor
Tim Barber ld And I I've never been hig
James Stacey her than it's always the same room every year.
Mark Kauzlarich Yeah, I know where the you go down the hallway, it's to the right and like it's this it almost it's almost like a bar or a console. You've got like you uh like a giant Pokemon between. people
James Stacey L theike entire we'll we'll add a photo of course, but like the entire booth is inside essentially like a a glass enclosure and it's all lit. It's it's it's hard to describe if you don't if you don't have the like w if I had to explain any of this to you, would you be like, Oh, I can picture it? You can't. No, you
Mark Kauzlarich can't. You can't use if you go into a
James Stacey big trade show, like a huge car show or something, you start to get the factoring, but it's so much more specific to brands and to the idea of like luxury with this than the car show. And a lot
Mark Kauzlarich of brands change every year too. So I mean that's the thing. Rolex and Patek stay largely the same, but you know people move their booths around, they blow it up for different storytelling. And and I I get it.' Therey like trying to immerse people in a short amount of time to the idea that they're trying to convey so
Malaika Crawford By the way, it is absolutely massive in here. Ye
James Stacey ah. Like Well it's also we're only using a portion of how big the space is. It'
Malaika Crawford s so big. Yeah. It's so big that I just stop trying to learn where anything is and I'll be like, does anyone know where I
James Stacey use the the the city and the country
Malaika Crawford ? There's like a GPS. Like you can say
James Stacey I'm at IWC and I have to get to Laura Ferrier and it's like you follow it.
Malaika Crawford Mr. Logic All right. Um uh
Mark Kauzlarich okay. Yeah. So we we
James Stacey did the whole like we did our favorite watches. We don't get to go to all the appointments. We
Mark Kauzlarich split this up and I mean no ten we had ten people from Odinky here and and so it's been really cool to s have everybody go off and find their own things they're excited about. Do you have a watch that you didn't see that you would have loved to have
James Stacey seen? We had this idea for like the hand
Mark Kauzlarich s off column yeah where we couldn't it's the watch that we did
James Stacey n't we have to try to write about it based on like
Mark Kauzlarich a distant recollection of what it was but what was the one watch that you wish you would have seen
James Stacey so for me like obviously if if you if you watch the show or you you watch what I read the or read what I write the rest of it, like the I I like relatively it compared to what's the full delta of the watch world inexpensive sports watches. But last year I went with Malika to Chanel and saw the pink X-ray
Mark Kauzlarich . And like that's wh
James Stacey y I would come to a show like this is to see something I'll never see again
Mark Kauzlarich . And they did another version, which I saw
James Stacey in the back of your camera. Yeah. Which is just there's no structure to it that isn't a baguette of some sort. Yeah. And when you start to think about like as the commercial product, put that aside. Think about making that.
Malaika Crawford Yeah. Every baguette, every one of those gem
James Stacey s has to have two little footings at least. So the the amount of like very incredibly precise engineering just to make something that beautiful, which is literally just beautiful for the sake of being beautiful, yeah, I think'd is just I I loved how hard they're willing to push to make something like that, even if the market for it is quite narrow. And seeing stuff like that is just the I like a jaw drop. So if it's a UP01 like we mentioned, or or the Ultra Turbulence, the Ultra from the year before, that kind of stuff. Like it kinda it gives me this weird like energy for the next while of like
Malaika Crawford Yeah. I may never see it again. I may never
James Stacey put it on my wrist, but that's rad
Malaika Crawford . Um speaking of jaw drops, and I wasn't expecting this jaw
Tim Barber drop. I saw this um plan
Malaika Crawford etarium clock at Van Cleef. I have never ever
James Stacey ything they do. I have ne
Malaika Crawford ver like the first of all, the amount of lapis lazuli. This clock is ginormous. It's also eight million Swiss francs. And it's cover
James Stacey ed car
Malaika Crawford bohydrated in precious gemstones. And I'm like, what a flex. Like my gemstins are like on my giant clock. They're not even wearable. They're just like, here's my diamonds, like studded on my clock.
Mark Kauzlarich Well, that's definitely for you at that point. Like you're unless you're bringing people over to your house. Like yeah, you're not wearing that out to flex on people. That's for you at home.
Malaika Crawford No, I mean that's cool. I think that is maybe one of the most exuberant objects I have ever seen in my life.
James Stacey Yeah I I hate missing the Vinkleaf human. I couldn't make it this year. It was an exact replica of like a watch that isn't made for me. But I'm so delighted by its existence. You
Malaika Crawford love fairy. The Oir the Ore Fl
James Stacey orel. Yeah. Okay.
Malaika Crawford It's pretty. I love flowers. to begin with
James Stacey But like the the all of that and you don't we'll put it in the show notes.
Malaika Crawford Yeah. Yeah. Pretty rad
Mark Kauzlarich . Uh I didn't have a chance to go to the Botec Bo booth. Um I really wanted to see I call it trava. Ben wrote a great hands-on on it. And I just admired it from afar outside the
Tim Barber glass across the street from uh the Role
Mark Kauzlarich x booth. Um, but uh I I hope to enter the hallowed walls of the Patek booth next year, but I I've I've been like
Tim Barber eyeing a call of travava i'm nowhere near being able to
Mark Kauzlarich achieve it um but to see the new referen
Tim Barber ce and as ben said it was the top his favorite call of trava in the last 17 years or so 18 years ago i think goes a long
Mark Kauzlarich way so would have loved to see that in person and and hopefully with the chance to and then not too distant future. I
Malaika Crawford yeah no I want to give Patek a shout out actually um because it took a minute to hit But uh first of all, really strong lineup this year. Um, and I was really impressed. Very well-rounded lineup, lots of vintage-y inspired, but also modern, but good balance. Um I I didn't notice, but then Andy, um our colleague, sent a message in the WhatsApp about the QP24 and it suddenly clicked that the tech had made like a modern watch for women with a complication with no gem setting. Like, I don't know why it took me four days to realize that. Um, that's kind of a big deal. Like, I know that 24 is not uh acronym or nautilus but I was really impressed. I saw it in person in the R meeting. Um and I'm like, okay, I think they might be listening
Mark Kauzlarich . So I'm pretty impressed with
Malaika Crawford that. Yeah. Opposite end
Mark Kauzlarich of the spectrum for me. I saw it through glass twice, maybe three times. But one I saw, which I'm glad I saw, was the bald eagle lips, which is like flexing on America, like you you
James Stacey like it's an ellipse with a bald e
Mark Kauzlarich agle on the dial, a painted enamel uh
James Stacey that's not the brand name. No. No
Mark Kauzlarich , no, no. That's that's my name.
James Stacey The ball of the eagle lips. You had me giggling last night with that for sure.
Mark Kauzlarich But um if I could spend like a half an ho
James Stacey ur to an hour sitting in a room alone
Mark Kauzlarich with the with the wild clock that they did, that desk
James Stacey clock. Yeah. I mean that the
Malaika Crawford clock is insane. You can't
James Stacey like because it's through glass, you don't get any sen
Mark Kauzlarich se of like the function or whatever. And yeah, it's a clock. It's a it's a long burn kind of thing with the perpetual calendar and the chining or whatever they have in that. But like you look at the that and you're like, yeah, I just want to sit with that a while. Like that's the closest I I can come to something like that
James Stacey . Yeah. And just kind of absorb the overall scene and how it's part of it.
Malaika Crawford With some Tiffany lamps. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Stunning. Why not?
James Stacey Yeah. But look guys, I think that's episode four. Day four. Watches and wonders. Obviously there's a a ton more to talk about and there is 80 plus stories on the site at this point from the show. So check it out. Hope you love it. Let us know in the comments if you want us to do more of these in the next couple weeks to recap some of the other stuff we haven't gotten to. And uh thanks so much for watching and thanks to all of you for being on the show. Thanks
Mark Kauzlarich , James.
Tim Barber Oh my god, did you pass out
Mark Kauzlarich ? We we had a whole segment about it
Tim Barber . Was there?
Mark Kauzlarich Yeah. Did you take the tripod off the or
Tim Barber you took the camera off the tripod and go right? No, I
James Stacey tried to get out I tried to get out of the way. So you're trying to be
Mark Kauzlarich you, but he was from here