Ben Clymer Presents: Ep. 9 – The Golf And Watches Episode With Keith Mitchell¶
Published on Wed, 10 Jan 2024 18:00:00 +0000
We sit down with the pro golfer to chat about handicaps, his remarkable watch history, playing with blades, and some deep cuts from Patek Philippe.
Synopsis¶
In this episode of Ben Clymer Presents, Hodinkee founder Ben Clymer sits down with professional golfer Keith Mitchell for an in-depth conversation about watches and golf. Mitchell, known as one of the most stylish players on the PGA Tour, shares how his passion for watches began with family heritage—his grandfather's Datejust that was passed down through generations, creating a tradition of gifting Rolex watches to commemorate important milestones.
The conversation delves into Mitchell's watch collection, including several remarkable pieces: a unique jade dial Laurent Ferrier piece unique that he never would have commissioned himself, a meteorite dial Daytona from his early collecting days, a Patek Philippe 5320G perpetual calendar in salmon, and a significant yellow gold Daytona engraved to commemorate the date of John Mayer's famous Talking Watches episode—the video that truly ignited Mitchell's passion for horology. Mitchell discusses his partnership with Fourtane and Carmel watch retailer and his friendship with proprietor Josh, who has educated him extensively on vintage watches.
On the golf side, Mitchell opens up about the mental challenges of professional golf, explaining that even Tiger Woods only won 20% of the time, putting the difficulty of the sport into perspective. He shares insights about his preparation routine, his preference for working on shot-shaping rather than pure swing mechanics, and offers advice for amateur golfers: aim for the front-to-mid center of every green to avoid bogeys rather than chasing pins. The conversation also touches on equipment, with Mitchell playing custom-ground Mizuno irons that replicate the sole geometry of clubs he played growing up, and his thoughts on blades versus game-improvement irons, drawing parallels between collecting golf equipment and watches—particularly noting how putters, like watches, retain collectible value because they're less dependent on evolving technology.
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| Ben Clymer | Guys, welcome to another episode of Ben Climber Presents. Today we are presenting the golf and watches episode. This is I I gotta be honest, I'm pretty excited about this one. Uh I',ve known of you for a long time. Uh, have a few mutual friends. Keith Mitchell, the man, the myth. Please. The most stylish man in golf. At the very least, right? |
| Keith Mitchell | Uh let's I don't know. That's I'll let other people decide. Okay, I'm gonna say |
| Ben Clymer | that. Uh so professional golfer, obviously, uh very stylish young man, uh, watch lover as well, which is why you're here today. So what are you doing in New York |
| Keith Mitchell | ? I was actually doing a style shoot for golf digest. A style shoot. So |
| Ben Clymer | Okay. So we're on we're on brand here. |
| Keith Mitchell | But I'm a I'm an uncle. That's really why I came up here. My sister just had her first, so we kind of you know parlayed it into some some fun stuff and this is fun for me. Like this is awesome. |
| Ben Clymer | No, likewise, for sure. So tell us a little bit about uh well- look, there's two tenets of this conversation. There's golf and watches, obviously. We'll s we'll start with golf because that's table stakes. You are a professional golfer. The dream career of so many of us out there. Uh how hard is |
| Keith Mitchell | It's just the ups and downs. Like it's impossible when you aren't playing well and you're missing cuts and you know you're traveling all over the world and you're not making any money doing it, but then the highs when you are playing well and you know I've I've only won once, but that's what I'm referring to because I like that feeling is better than anything and you know work-wise, golf-wise. So being able to chase that is kind of the the f the addiction in our sport 'cause sometimes it's so frustrating out there practicing, but just knowing that it could be next week again is is is what makes it amazing. |
| Ben Clymer | And h I I I would imagine, and you can obviously correct me, but as as somebody who has made it to the PGA tour, you have obviously won many times throughout the course of your junior career and as an adolescent etcetera. And how does the expectation level change as you make it on onto the PGA |
| Keith Mitchell | . It's it's funny because when I first made it I never really thought that you know you don't really think about winning on tour like it's it could happen. Right. And then you kind of back into it. a little bit Like I remember when I w did win and I made a bogey. I was like, well, it might not be my week, but like I'll just give it my best and try to finish second or third or something. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. Well I gave it my best and then I end |
| Keith Mitchell | ed up winning. Right. And it and then all of a sudden you're like, well, I can do it now, so I want to do it next week and next week and next week. And then that's the bad sort of expectations because when you expect to win out on tour playing against that those that many other good players, it it's it's very rare. Let's put it that put it that way. My percentage is less than one percent. Right. Tiger was twenty percent and he's the greatest to ever live. |
| Ben Clymer | I mean that's just an unheard of number, twenty percent. |
| Keith Mitchell | Yeah. Never to be removedind. M blowingly. Yeah.. It's mind blow |
| Ben Clymer | ing Yeah. And so I mean as as as somebody who's been on the tour a little while now, I mean, how do you uh kind of manage you know, you again your your own expectations of winning versus kind of s you know kind of sticking to what what you what you |
| Keith Mitchell | It's it's funny, I just had a meeting with my team last couple of weeks to try to figure out what I did well, how I can continue to do it well, and then what I was lagging in. Um, whether it's you know, st statistical data or preparation, et cetera, just what can I do to get better for next year. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. And it's you know, I'm |
| Keith Mitchell | changing some things up a little bit and um in my preparation for during tournament week and um a little just a little tweaks at home, not much, but it's it's just it's always something, right? Like golf is something you'll never perfect. And so you can have the best year of your career and still be like you still have that meeting and be like okay what can I do better next year and golf is a sport that you can play forever |
| Ben Clymer | . Right. So it's our |
| Keith Mitchell | our window is a lot longer and you can continue to play and continue to get better. I mean there's guys that obviously are still winning in their forties against twenty year olds. It doesn't happen any other sport. |
| Ben Clymer | Right. Fi Phil famously |
| Keith Mitchell | fifties in a major. It's amazing, isn' |
| Ben Clymer | t it? Absolutely insane. And so I I I guess uh you know, a question that a lot of us have, and then we'll get into watches. I I promise. But you know, I don't get that many opportunities of a pro golfer here. Um can can you tell us a little bit about the preparation? I don't want to give away any trade secrets. No, that's not |
| Keith Mitchell | that trust me. If there was some out there, yeah |
| Ben Clymer | , we would all be doing it. Sure |
| Keith Mitchell | . I mean, you have a lot of coaches. So I have a swing coach, I have a short game coach, I have a putting coach, I have a mental coach, I have a stats coach, I have, you know, management team, a caddy, like you have it physical therapist, you have all these people that you build around. It's like a village trying to help you be selfish golfer. Because you have to be. It's like it's it's you or nothing, right? So like we're very it's it's a very it's not a team sport, which is is it's a selfish in its own way, but you have all these people that make it that make your own team, I guess I should say. Right. And each person has their role. And so in preparation, it's you know making sure each part of your game is where it needs to be. So my swing is where it needs to be, my short game is where it needs to be, my putting. And a lot of people always think about swing as technique. I like to look at swing as like shot mak |
| Ben Clymer | ing because you can chase |
| Keith Mitchell | technique and not get better. Right. You can make the camera smile or the or the track man or whatever you use smile and not necessarily shoot lower scores. Right. So it's a really fine balance between mechanics and like shot shaping. So I like to work on my swing through shot shaping |
| Ben Clymer | . Just like I work on my short game through hitt |
| Keith Mitchell | ing different shots, not necessarily technique. Technique creates different shots, but you have to be able to balance the two. And then you know, we're on the road so much, the preparation on the road is a lot of like rest because if we trip play three or four weeks in a row, six days a week, you know, you're outside working for seven, eight hours a day like it's a it's a mental grind so you have to be you have to be able to rest your mind in in you know I mean if you want to talk about my preparation I could sit here for hours but like |
| Ben Clymer | we got time. Yeah. It's it's just it |
| Keith Mitchell | 's you know, working on your yardages, working on your shots, alignments, you know, your setup, making just all your checklist of things that you have good habits, bad habits, make sure you keep doing the good ones and try to get rid of the bad ones. Ye |
| Ben Clymer | ah. So when you say shot shaping, you mean actual like draws, fades, et cetera. |
| Keith Mitchell | I've always found for me that my swing gets better performance-wise, not necessarily the way it looks, but performance-wise, when I work on shots instead of positions. So if I'm not hitting it well, I figure out what's what's the bias. Is it right? Is it left? Is it spinny? Is it you know where's the inconsistencies? And then I'll do the opposite shot to try to necessarily get it back to neutral. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. Right? Because like if you're hitting too many dra |
| Keith Mitchell | ws are most likely coming from the inside and rolling it, so I hit fades to try to do the opposite. And so I can kind of counter my swing that way instead of trying to put it in positions. Now again, sometimes you get out of position, but I like to do it through b through shot shaping, making my swing better because again doesn't really matter where it is on the camera if it's going where it's supposed to go. You just gotta make sure it gets there. Ye |
| Ben Clymer | ah. And so we're gonna come back to golf later because how can we not? But what one question as like a clear novice? So I'm like a six handicap. How do I get down to a two? One piece of advice for somebody that's like, you know, a mid-handicap or a low to mid-handicap. Like, how do we get down three or four strokes? Because I can tell you that like shot shaping, frankly, is not something I think about a lot at all |
| Keith Mitchell | . Um we're trying to make birdies. You guys are trying not to make bogies. Right. And I say you guys I mean really anybody that's not a professional is trying not to make bogies. And so the easiest way for bogey avoidance is to aim for the front to mid center of the every green. |
| Ben Clymer | That's it. Period. Like if you go over |
| Keith Mitchell | the green, there's a really you're probably not going to get up and down. So I would not look at pins really. Right. And aim five to seven paces on the front of every green and just hit it right there, it's gonna be boring. R |
| Ben Clymer | ight. But you know the issue. But you know what' |
| Keith Mitchell | s not boring? Is shooting your lowest round you've ever shot. |
| Ben Clymer | Right. And that' |
| Keith Mitchell | s that's the hard part because if you do hit that perfect shot to the tuck pin and it goes to like three feet, the satisfaction is is amazing. It's but it's like a really short high, right? It's like it's only because the next shot you might hit it in the rough |
| Ben Clymer | . But if you if you play |
| Keith Mitchell | boring, it's a lot longer like drawn out like oh my god, I'm only, you know, one or two over, I'm one or two under and I'm going into the last hole, I got a chance to shoot under par. Yeah. Like that's cooler than just the one shot. Cor |
| Ben Clymer | rect. It it've I broke apart one time in my life, and it was it was one of those. It was it's you know, I don't want to say it was the greatest day of my life, but it's right at the top five, probably, right? Apologies to anybody that's actually in my life. Um so let's talk about watches now. So you are a watch guy, self-professed, uh, and also I think deigned by the the global watch community. Um I believe you played a program round or around with uh Miles Fisher uh somewhere along the way. And he texted me, said, dude, you gotta meet this guy. He pulled out a Laurent Ferrier on like the third fairway or something like that. So what how did you I mean first of all Laurent Ferrier is not Rolex. Like it's pretty esoteric brand. Tell me about your your love of watches |
| Keith Mitchell | . It It it started, you know, everybody has their watch starting story, right? Mine was is very family. My everyone in my family, my dad, my mom, and um my maternal grandfather and grandmother all wore a Rolex peri I never didn't know them without wearing in each specific one. Yeah. Right. They all only had one and that's the only one they wore my whole life. And then it really started when my paternal grandfather passed away. He and my uh he gifted me through my dad his date |
| Ben Clymer | just and they |
| Keith Mitchell | engraved on the back, you know, two Keith, you know, love papa and dad |
| Ben Clymer | . And |
| Keith Mitchell | the story behind that watch was my grandfather put my dad through you know high school college medical school everything and my dad as a thank you gave him that date just so then I got that date just and after I my dad put me through high school, college, you know, Q school. Right. Like, let's just go ahead and throw Q school on there. Sure. And I got on tour and kept my card for the first year. I got him at Date Just and engraved it on the backs like thanks for the love and support. Yeah. So it's kind of like I don't want to call it a tradition, but like it's a thing your parents do a lot for you, right? They sure and it's really hard to show anything, but now my dad has not taken that watch off |
| Ben Clymer | ever since I gave him and it's just |
| Keith Mitchell | stainless steel date chest? Stainless steel |
| Keith Mitchell | digest. It's Wimbledon. It's so funny. Like it's a year it came out I looked and I've loved it. Like just the green. |
| Ben Clymer | Sure. Anyway. So that' |
| Keith Mitchell | s kind of like how it started. Yeah. And then I got my mom one and I got both my mom and my dad a watch before I bought myself my own one. And I'm not trying to say that I was like, oh, this is you know, yeah. It's just you know, they deserved it first, right? They did everything for me to be able to buy one. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. And it it |
| Keith Mitchell | it came this like sentimental thing. And then I told myself after I won, that's when I bought my first watch. And I told myself I wasn't gonna buy a watch. I was only gonna I was gonna save it because for that sentimental moment for winning. Then I realized it was really hard to win. So I just gave up on that starvine watches. That's amazing |
| Ben Clymer | . Um very romantic story |
| Keith Mitchell | that turned out to like here we are, I got like you know way too So you actually |
| Ben Clymer | you work with Fortein and Carmel, who we know we know well. But I've known Josh probably you know of the fifteen years Hodinki's been around, probably thirteen of those years. I mean, really good guy. I done events with them way back. How d how did that kind of come to be |
| Keith Mitchell | ? The place where I bought my mom and my dad their watches, um, a guy named Duncan inner said you need to go out to the store in Carmel and meet my friend Josh |
| Ben Clymer | . Yeah. And I'd already been |
| Keith Mitchell | to that store. I'd every time we played at Pell Beach I would walk in and look at all I have a actually a picture of a watch on my phone before I met Josh in there. Really? And what watch |
| Ben Clymer | is it just out of curiosity? It's it's actually |
| Keith Mitchell | a similar one in there that I ended up buying later from Josh. It's the sixteen five five zero white gold strands. Ye |
| Ben Clymer | ah. All the cool patina. Anyway |
| Keith Mitchell | . And so he said you need to go meet Josh. And Josh came out, we met, we hung out, we became friends. And you know, for love of watches and and Josh is not a golfer. I gave him a hard time about his golf season. He's a runner. He's a runner, yeah. Which I w he's he's better at golf than I am running and he's not very good at golf. But the we so we met and then it's it's just been so much fun to partner because there's so many people that are passionate about watches. No doubt. And just to have like s your friends involved. It's like friends in business can get, you know, I want to call it messy, but when it comes to like watches, it's it's it's totally different. Pretty clean |
| Ben Clymer | , yeah. Because it's not business for |
| Keith Mitchell | me. And everybody seems to want to watch and you have a guy and you you know talk about him and understand him and his knowledge. Yeah, he's great. Like I didn't know anything about vintage until him and now here I am like, you know, knee deep in it |
| Ben Clymer | . Yeah. So it's been a it's |
| Keith Mitchell | been a blast. And and so what I mean if if I |
| Ben Clymer | can ask and you know we can edit this out or not. I mean, what does it mean? So like you you're kind of like an ambassador for Fortane or what is it exactly? |
| Keith Mitchell | Yes. Um you know, we're kind of flying by the seat of our pants. We've only been doing it for six months.. Got it And just trying to figure out the best way to I can help promote their brand because their brand is is it's not you know, a lot of golfers are sponsored by individual watch companies. Role |
| Ben Clymer | x AP, Omega. And For |
| Keith Mitchell | tain sells everything. And that's what's great for me is like I'm not stuck to one brand. Right. My actually it's my passion can go across the board. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. In any sort of um |
| Keith Mitchell | watch company. And so that's selfishly, that's great for me. Yeah. And you know, for Josh, you know, he's we know we do dinners, we do events for clients, and I just send him a cool care package for all of his clients that you know kind of come through me which is just you know it's it's just fun stuff. Like it's a it's it's not it's work for me. It's a passion and and it I would feel like it's it's a two way street there. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. So i if I can ask, you brought a a little roll here. What'd you bring |
| Keith Mitchell | ? A couple. Uh we do it. Sure. I mean it's that's up to you manage it. |
| Ben Clymer | Let's do it. Absolutely. But then I'll figured |
| Keith Mitchell | the one that that has uh has some stories. Uh this is |
| Ben Clymer | gonna get tricky 'cause you have to hold the mic and the watch. |
| Keith Mitchell | Come on, good. I'm good. You know, I he's got good |
| Ben Clymer | hands. I'll let you pick |
| Keith Mitchell | . But I'm gonna start with since you brought up the Laurent |
| Ben Clymer | . Yep. Which is a brand we love. |
| Keith Mitchell | The the cool story about this one is I had never heard of it until Josh |
| Ben Clymer | . I walked in the store and I you know, I kne |
| Keith Mitchell | w Rolex and Paddock, whatever. Yeah. And then he showed me um LaRon and I was like, What that's weird, I never heard of this. Those are expensive. L |
| Ben Clymer | ike uh you know, sure |
| Keith Mitchell | . And it kind of like I start reading about it, learning about it, his history with a you know, previous company sure and all this just incredible like time that he spent in the industry and then he was a race car driver before I was like this this is a really cool story. |
| Ben Clymer | Definitely and then this piece |
| Keith Mitchell | it's a a piece unique. Now the difference is that it's not a commissioned wand. Like a lot of guys on your stuff are like, oh I have a really cool reason, like the Ed Sheeran reason of why it is what it is |
| Ben Clymer | . Yeah. Is really profound. |
| Keith Mitchell | Yeah. What I appreciate about this is this is a piece that I would never have the brain power to commission. |
| Ben Clymer | Sure. It's better than if he had asked say, |
| Keith Mitchell | hey Keith, I'll let you pick whatever you want. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. I would never have come up with somet |
| Keith Mitchell | hing this cool. Yeah. And that's why I appreciate it's like |
| Keith Mitchell | this is he thought this was so special |
| Keith Mitchell | that he only made one of it. Right. And then I was fortunate enough to to get it. So I it's almost like it was his commission. |
| Ben Clymer | Which in in many ways is I don't want to say better, but I mean it's like in |
| Keith Mitchell | my eyes it's better. He knows what he's doing. |
| Ben Clymer | Right. Exactly. So I let him |
| Keith Mitchell | make just one. That's really neat. And so it's a jade dial. W |
| Ben Clymer | ow. And the |
| Keith Mitchell | cool part is the white Roman numerals and the white hand |
| Ben Clymer | s in a jade in green. Like |
| Keith Mitchell | I would have never ever ever imagined that. And |
| Keith Mitchell | that's why I appreciate it so much. So it's like |
| Keith Mitchell | it's his version of that. And the c |
| Ben Clymer | ase of steel, or is it case of steel? Co |
| Keith Mitchell | ol. And so you have such |
| Keith Mitchell | a high quality watch with such it is a stone dial and everything on |
| Keith Mitchell | steel. Yeah. It's just |
| Keith Mitchell | it's so wow.'s so It cool. |
| Ben Clymer | I've never I I I have I wouldn't say quite a few, but a handful of Laurent Ferriers and I've I've never s never even seen this before. Really, 'cause it's the only one. |
| Keith Mitchell | I mean, you've been in the watch game a long time. I've been in it maybe I don't know, six, seven years. But even then, like that would never have have come to me or even imagined. |
| Ben Clymer | Are there any guys out there that we might not think of that are like re like that were like really excited by something like this |
| Keith Mitchell | ? Um Yeah |
| Keith Mitchell | . And but it's it's kind of like |
| Keith Mitchell | me that like it took them time. Like |
| Keith Mitchell | it's very rare that if someone doesn' |
| Keith Mitchell | t already know what Laurent is, |
| Keith Mitchell | they're not they're not excited because they don't |
| Keith Mitchell | they don't know how to appreciate it. Right. If someone does, not only are they rare to see in general, but to see of one that's even rare |
| Ben Clymer | . I don't know how many they make a year, but it's not |
| Keith Mitchell | a lot, yeah. I mean I would I would get I I don |
| Ben Clymer | 't know this and we'll fact check this probably like a hundred and fifty per year, something like that.. And |
| Keith Mitchell | so for the world And so it's like, oh yeah, he's got a one of one. Well there |
| Ben Clymer | 's only you know there's |
| Keith Mitchell | there's rare limit uh there's |
| Keith Mitchell | total watches that he makes a year. There's companies that run limit editions eas |
| Keith Mitchell | ily that make more than just |
| Keith Mitchell | him in general. Absolutely. Abs |
| Ben Clymer | olutely. No, it's it's it's a really I I mean I I think it's well documented |
| Keith Mitchell | . We've done a few |
| Ben Clymer | limitations with them. Uh I I bought I got a I commissioned a piece uh back in 2012 from him. I was like when I first saw La Ron Ferrier, he first came out with a turbion, which was well beyond my pay grade, certainly at the time. Couldn't afford it. The minute he came out with this, which is a micro rotor with natural escapement, I was like, oh my God, th this is to what this is what pet tech should be not should be doing today, but like if they'd kind of stuck to the this idea of like a super hand finishing, um, you know, really dynamic evolution of escapements, this is a natural escapement, which is like a it's unlike any other watch on on your role there or what I'm wearing. Um I was just blown away. And so back then, going back to a conversation we had earlier, they were not doing steel cases at all. They were only doing precious metal, which was like a a very early two thousands thing. Like steel was like, ah, you know, we're too good for that, you know? Uh they had done one prototype for OnlyWatch and steel. They had uh the CEO was wearing the other prototype in steel, they had one steel case left. And I was like, hey, can I have that final third steel case? And they're like, yeah, sure, you know, why not? Uh so I commissioned one back in twenty twelve and still have it. Um and then Hodinki has done some limited editions. But no, |
| Ben Clymer | I I think it's still a brand that is |
| Ben Clymer | um underappreciated and you know with this great rise of independence, you know, F. P. Jorn is really hot and those guys. These guys still fly under the radar and I think offer just like immense value for what they are. |
| Keith Mitchell | It's crazy to say like flying under the radar, because like most independents do, but no, it's like they fly under like two radars. Like they're |
| Ben Clymer | like subterranean, yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah |
| Keith Mitchell | . And and it's such a brand that has so |
| Keith Mitchell | much history, even though it's young, just |
| Keith Mitchell | because of their past. And it it's so my dad always says elegance and simplicity is like one of the things that he always stuck I mean, to |
| Keith Mitchell | have all it's so simple. Yeah, but |
| Keith Mitchell | then you turn it around and people that really appreciate watches |
| Ben Clymer | and in the movement that goes into it |
| Keith Mitchell | ,. it It's it's absolutely incredible. Yeah, |
| Ben Clymer | and th th this was not by design, but uh one of my favorite watches of all time is is the is is the paddock twenty five twenty six, which was their first self-winding Calatrava, which is, you know, a lot of people think that like a fine dress watch should be manual, but doing one automatic, which this is is, uh, really something else entirely. And so in many ways the 2526 and the micro rotor Laurent Ferrier are kind of related. Um and you know, again, two two of my absolute favorite watches. So really, really neat. Um and I' |
| Keith Mitchell | ll never forget Josh was explaining the the natural escapement that was designed by or develop |
| Ben Clymer | ed off of um Brig |
| Keith Mitchell | ade back in the day. And I was like I just all over my head, I was like, whatever, man, that's just like I just want the like what's cool about it. |
| Keith Mitchell | But then again, after you start research |
| Keith Mitchell | ing and understanding, getting into the watches, it starts you go from beh you go from the dial to behind. Yeah |
| Ben Clymer | . And once you get behind is when you I feel like you |
| Keith Mitchell | 've crossed game over. The threshold into the watch world. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. Uh let's keep going down the the road. Yeah, what do |
| Keith Mitchell | you what this you you picked next. I mean I this |
| Ben Clymer | one's last. We're second. We'll do that last. Uh |
| Ben Clymer | let's go to to to this guy here. Okay, |
| Keith Mitchell | the Daytona? Yeah. Let's see. I got this in J |
| Keith Mitchell | anuary of twenty twenty and |
| Keith Mitchell | then the meteorite dial came out |
| Keith Mitchell | in March. And I was like, |
| Keith Mitchell | this was I mean, that's when like the bug hits you of Oh boy. Like this is fun. Yes. Like you you start f you know, that's |
| Keith Mitchell | it's all obviously people care about |
| Keith Mitchell | the secondary market and stuff and like you know, it is what it is. But this was the first one that I was like, wait, this is like real. Ye |
| Ben Clymer | ah. Like it's not just like here's M |
| Keith Mitchell | SRP'.s Here what it sells for. It's like this was obviously they didn't make this |
| Ben Clymer | . You can still see the |
| Keith Mitchell | has the sticker still in the back. When I got it, it still had the 16519 on it |
| Ben Clymer | . But I was like, I can't not wear this |
| Keith Mitchell | watch. |
| Keith Mitchell | Yeah and anyway, I |
| Keith Mitchell | I had to wear it. Like it's it's too cool of a watch to not wear |
| Ben Clymer | . And as much as I |
| Keith Mitchell | hate having like a new old stock and feeling like you're like breaking code on it, |
| Keith Mitchell | I just like I just like to watch too much. I sho |
| Keith Mitchell | uld I've either should have gotten a worse examp |
| Ben Clymer | le and not cared, but I was like, |
| Keith Mitchell | no, I want the best example and I want to wear it. |
| Ben Clymer | I get it. And so it's poison. Yeah, it's pois |
| Keith Mitchell | onous. And so every time you put it on, you're like, oh gosh, you know, if I ding it up, here goes this. Because it you'll never get another one. |
| Ben Clymer | That's for sure. Anyway, and it's original blu |
| Keith Mitchell | e strap and what I love about it, it's kinda red, white, and blue. It's it's got the red hands and it's blue strap. The meteorite is I don't know, it felt like out of this world, but like US. I don't know. It it anyway |
| Ben Clymer | . So cool. That was my first |
| Keith Mitchell | real It's |
| Ben Clymer | it's not something you see often, I'll say that. Which is when the world of Rolex, that's meaningful, you know. |
| Keith Mitchell | Right. And the story behind why that watch is when I was with a buddy of mine, um, we were just walking around the mall in Atlanta doing something, I can't remember like Christmas shopping for pr who knows. But we walked into a uh a Rolex uh boutique and they had one of those a meteorite that I'd never seen like in the sh in the case and it was like thirteen thousand. I was like, God, that's crazy. I've done I've never buy |
| Ben Clymer | that, yeah. But that is so cool. Yeah. |
| Keith Mitchell | And this was probably two thousand thirteen, 201 |
| Ben Clymer | 4. And when |
| Keith Mitchell | I got to the point where I could afford that, I that was like kind of stuck in my head. It's like I remember when I was younger, that was like the cool watch |
| Ben Clymer | . Yep. And so I found it and then |
| Keith Mitchell | I got it at a really good price. Yeah. Especially considering now because after it came |
| Ben Clymer | out. Yep. This is |
| Keith Mitchell | the 16550. I'll never forget this past year. I went out to see Josh playing the ATT and he was wearing it on his hand. I'm like, You you can't do |
| Keith Mitchell | that. Like that's so mean He knows what he's doing. L |
| Ben Clymer | ike I was like yes. I |
| Keith Mitchell | was so mad at him. Yeah. He's like, no I'm kidding it's for sale. And I found it for you and blah blah blah and so I was like, |
| Keith Mitchell | okay, well it' solsd. Like I don't even care. Yeah. |
| Keith Mitchell | Don't tell me. Yeah. Just run my |
| Ben Clymer | credit card. Go. Put it on |
| Keith Mitchell | the tab. And you know, he this was another one. Like the case is so good. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. It's such a good example. And it's |
| Keith Mitchell | one of those like I still want to wear it and |
| Keith Mitchell | you just ah he's I know |
| Keith Mitchell | you can't wear it every day but man |
| Ben Clymer | the tech |
| Keith Mitchell | 5320 G sal |
| Keith Mitchell | mon dial. Lovely. This was what I kinda knew |
| Ben Clymer | . It's like now we're deep and we have a problem now. W |
| Keith Mitchell | ell a perpetual calendar pan |
| Keith Mitchell | ic. Yep. It's a real watch. Not that |
| Ben Clymer | Rolex is not a real watch, but this is a real watch. Yeah. |
| Keith Mitchell | You know, this is like Mount Olympus of the Watch World. When you have a Patek perpetual calendar, this obviously came later in my career after the relationship with Josh. So, you know there there's anyway. |
| Ben Clymer | Put some work into that. Yes. |
| Keith Mitchell | And it's it's the salmon too |
| Ben Clymer | . I know salmon's the hype, right |
| Keith Mitchell | ? Especially after your friend showed his on the talking watches, the 5004. |
| Ben Clymer | Oh yes. Yeah, that's a good idea. And he's like, hey |
| Keith Mitchell | , this is salmon. And that's kind of like, oh that's that's pretty cool. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. And what I |
| Keith Mitchell | love about this watch is I bring like four or five straps with me everywhere I go with it. Yeah. And you can use it really it's it's a chameleon, I should say. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. Cause it's salmon and it's white g |
| Keith Mitchell | old. Yeah. The salmon kind of blends. It's white gold so it doesn't really stand out. And you put a gray strap, a uh even have a baby blue strap for the summer that I feel like a watch that's so, you know, kind of oomph. Yeah. As that phrase that we that um is used often when you get one. Kind of tones it down a little bit. Agreed. And you |
| Keith Mitchell | I feel like I can wear this watch |
| Keith Mitchell | very casually with the different with the colored straps. I can wear it very formally with a b like a black alligator or this navy. And I don't feel |
| Keith Mitchell | I don't feel like it's |
| Keith Mitchell | as big as it really is, if that makes sense. Ye |
| Ben Clymer | ah, I get that. I mean that that is th this is kind of a a more recent generation of perpetual from Paddock and they've really done a great job, you know, kind of sticking with the core of who they are while modernizing it. And like you're a young guy, I think I'm a young guy. And like this appeals to me. And I think Paddock for the longest time really struggled appealing to people below the age of 50 with complicated watches. And and this one definitely does. I've looked at this one myself many, many times. It's uh look, I I I am the biggest Rolex fan there is for sure, but I remember when I got my first Patek, it really it feels different. It really feels like a different thing, you know |
| Keith Mitchell | ? It it's like you said |
| Keith Mitchell | , it's it feels like a a younger, more modern perpetual calendar |
| Ben Clymer | , but also still tri |
| Keith Mitchell | butes all the you know, anything from the fifteen twenty six to the twenty four um ninety seven, twenty four thir |
| Keith Mitchell | ty eights. Like it's it has that st it' |
| Keith Mitchell | s it's it's still similar enough to |
| Keith Mitchell | those. Yeah. But |
| Keith Mitchell | but young somehow. Just the fac |
| Ben Clymer | t that you just rattled off three vintage paddock perpetual references like that. That's uh that says this guy is for real, right there. Fifteen twenty-six, twenty-four ninety-seven, twenty-four thirty-eight. That is not stuff that a lot of people can do |
| Keith Mitchell | . |
| Keith Mitchell | Yeah, it really is. And it's the symmetry of that that really |
| Keith Mitchell | I just love. Yeah. Right. |
| Keith Mitchell | It's it's the the date windows and it's killer. It really is. I don't know why, but that style, you know, even the thirty four forty eight, like that sty |
| Ben Clymer | le of watch |
| Keith Mitchell | to me is just the epitome of Patek. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. It is. It was the first ever per |
| Keith Mitchell | um perpetual calendar uh in in the catalog. Right. Was that style. And so that's what kind of felt like the history of watchmaking all in one, but still feeling kind of young, fun and you know, accessible, wearable in a in a way without feeling, you know, too I don't know. No, and |
| Ben Clymer | I I gotta say, as as as uh I first of all, how do you feel about the nickname Cashmere Keith. 'Cause where I'm going is related to that |
| Keith Mitchell | . It you know what? I I take it in stride. I'm wearing a cashmere sweater now, but you looks like you are too. So we're |
| Ben Clymer | this is a wool blend, but some yeah I know. Actually I debate I was like, should I wear a cashmere today? I don't know |
| Keith Mitchell | wool wool bin. Exactly. |
| Ben Clymer | I have to say, you know, this wash with with a cashmere sweater is like quintessential New York around the holidays. I mean, this just really fits with with that vibe for sure |
| Keith Mitchell | . It's I mean, it's special. Oh |
| Keith Mitchell | and you know what? This here's |
| Keith Mitchell | something really dorky about that watch. You can really hear the |
| Keith Mitchell | rotor whining in the whining in the back |
| Keith Mitchell | . And I will go I'll go like this and like flip |
| Keith Mitchell | my wrist and you go and I'm like, |
| Keith Mitchell | I can't believe I'm doing this with that fancy |
| Keith Mitchell | little watch. But it's like the little the little |
| Keith Mitchell | things. |
| Ben Clymer | We have one more looks like a Daytona over there |
| Keith Mitchell | . And feel f |
| Keith Mitchell | ree to to to keep this story or keep it to yourself. Okay. Noted. It's a real story |
| Ben Clymer | . So |
| Keith Mitchell | hype watch. None of those none of those are really hype watches, right? This is a hype like the hype watch, right? And the reason behind the hype watch is the talking watches. Two thousand nineteen |
| Ben Clymer | . Let me see exactly Mar |
| Keith Mitchell | ch twenty seventh, two thousand nineteen. Okay. Was the day that the talking watches came out. I won my only tour w |
| Ben Clymer | in in the beginning of March 20 |
| Keith Mitchell | 19. Okay. And that was when I was like, okay, I'm gonna buy myself a watch. And then that video came out and I was hooked. Ye |
| Ben Clymer | ah. I was like, I am so into this |
| Keith Mitchell | stuff. This is way too cool. Yeah. And this is that was a video that this watch was named. Right. Like Gold Daytona, like, yeah, right. Whatever |
| Ben Clymer | . Yeah. It was cool in the video, but I |
| Keith Mitchell | was like, you know, it's still not for |
| Keith Mitchell | me. |
| Keith Mitchell | And so when Josh and I made our relationship formal in terms of our you know our partnership, I should say. We talked about kind of what was the most what's a very sentimental watch. And so on the back he dis he inscribed Mr. KM Mitchell, which is after Mr. You know, John did his Mr. JC Mayer. Sure. And then the date of the video that it was releas |
| Ben Clymer | ed. In that in |
| Keith Mitchell | his, you know, the John Mayer. Yeah. So it's kind of an ode to you, John, watches in general, like where the where it started. And really that was like the moment that I was like, I'm a watch guy now. After watching that. |
| Ben Clymer | That that's amazing. That really I mean that's like touching in in some ways. I mean it's it's incredible. And that that is like this is a watch that I missed out on, as foolish as as I am. Uh it's just it's as cool as it gets. It really is |
| Keith Mitchell | . In I don't really wear it that often. I don't travel with it. But it feels to me like the reason I'm here in a way. Like in how impactful you know you guys are at Hudinky, how John is in in in not only music but in the watch world. Yeah. That it that now I'm we're talking about all what all these reference summers and all that. Yeah. Sorry about that by the way. Yeah. |
| Keith Mitchell | Started on, you know, |
| Keith Mitchell | March twenty seventh, two thousand nineteen. And that. And so we got the watch with the date and the and the subscription and the inscription on the back for that. It |
| Ben Clymer | 's amazing. So here you can see the back. That is incredible. So you don't wear it too often, huh? It's I |
| Keith Mitchell | just don't try like when I you know, we travel for gol |
| Keith Mitchell | f, we're gone for two, three weeks at a time. Ye |
| Ben Clymer | ah. And it doesn't really |
| Keith Mitchell | go with everything. Yeah. And so I wear it a |
| Keith Mitchell | lot at home, but I'm on the road so much that um you know, it's just I like watches it go with everything and we talked about the most quintessential watch that goes with everything has a purpose. That one like I'm not really using a chronograph often. And then you know if I'm going to the gym, I I don't really want to throw that on going to work out before I go to a round. So |
| Keith Mitchell | it just it I would wear it more of |
| Keith Mitchell | ten if I worked, you know, and was going back and forth from home, right, not traveling all over the world. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah, it's so it's so good again. Th this is one of my great regrets in in watch buying, not getting this one. We just had no I mean, we had when we did that video we had no expectation that like anybody would would care. 'Cause it was this one and the the white gold blue dial as well. And I mean John John has a lot of watches. It's not a surprise to anybody. And so it's like you just you know, you never really know what's like gonna gonna take off. Like why this one and not the white gold blue dial, you know? Uh it's it's so good though |
| Keith Mitchell | . I mean it's it's true. It's a great point. Why not the white gold blue |
| Ben Clymer | ? Right. And why you know why |
| Keith Mitchell | that one was named the John Mayer and not the other one, right? |
| Ben Clymer | The internet man. I mean he has you know |
| Keith Mitchell | , you have the Paul Newman. Sure. I'm I I don't think I think we can say that that's the John Mayer now. |
| Ben Clymer | I think it is. I think it is. I know |
| Keith Mitchell | people kind of just like casually throw that around. Yeah. But I would be surprised if anybody that knows that watch would not call it that. |
| Ben Clymer | C correct. There's a there's a story that I I don't think he'd mind sharing, but he was playing somewhere, like a stadium somewhere, and they welcomed him to the stadium with a picture, like a like a like a drawing. I'm talking like a poster size drawing of this watch. Like on the wall, like in in the dressing room. Uh so it it's definitely become kind of part of of the zeitgeist, they would say, which is is amazing. Um yeah, these are these are killer. So you you're you're doing okay then. Thank you |
| Keith Mitchell | . But you know, the story of that watch is more the story. |
| Ben Clymer | Sure. Right, and not the actual watch. |
| Keith Mitchell | Right. Like I I it's really safe to say that if he hadn't done that video and he hadn't shown that watch, I wouldn't have like said, Man, that's the that's the watch for me. So it's it's more it it's a sick watch, obviously. Yeah. But it's it's the reason behind that watch |
| Ben Clymer | that really makes it that that makes that wat |
| Keith Mitchell | ch special to me. Because again, like you know, if I just walked into a Rolex store I was like, this is the Daytona I want, like |
| Keith Mitchell | e I don't think I would have said that. I don't think |
| Keith Mitchell | many people would have said that. No question. Without that. And that was kind of like when it when officially like I was like, Okay, this is this is this is a problem now. This is |
| Ben Clymer | a problem. And that that's a good segue into the watch on your wrist |
| Keith Mitchell | . But the beauty about this watch is it's really comfortable. Like this it's a it's Cartier colored strap, it's not necessarily a Cartier strap. |
| Keith Mitchell | But it's really easy to change. You |
| Ben Clymer | know, I I bring a bunch of straps with it. It' |
| Keith Mitchell | s it's light, it's comfortable. It's um it's kinda it's it's more formal, but it also goes with everything. It's it's a quartz movement. You know, forgive me. Can |
| Ben Clymer | you believe it? Yeah. But |
| Keith Mitchell | I never have to worry about winding it or setting it |
| Keith Mitchell | . It's just easy. Yeah. And it's and |
| Keith Mitchell | the reason that I w I chose a tank was originally the thought behind a tank was kind of Frank Sinatra. It felt really Frank Sinatra. And this was before I knew he wore a centre. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. Like it just felt |
| Keith Mitchell | that's the kind of the vibe when I felt felt a tank. You know, very New York, you know, tuxedo. Ver |
| Ben Clymer | y elegant. Martinis. Yeah. |
| Keith Mitchell | Yeah. No, it's it's it's super cool. It really is. Frank Sinatra vibes with a tank. That's where I started. |
| Ben Clymer | How can you not? Yeah. Uh let's flip the script one more time back to golf. So are you a golf club nerd? Like do you do you are? Y |
| Keith Mitchell | es. I mean you know I can't see it here with one |
| Ben Clymer | . So what do you think is the greatest looking iron you've ever seen? First of all, what do you play on tour |
| Keith Mitchell | ? Um two really good questions. It's hard, like my era of growing up was when I first, you know, I was I was born in 92, so 97, Tiger wasn't really I wasn't really remembering it yet. Y |
| Ben Clymer | ep. But two thousand ninety nine two thousand |
| Keith Mitchell | two thousand one those six eighty one T' |
| Ben Clymer | s and I me |
| Keith Mitchell | an they are if you find a a brand new set or you know new old stock set, |
| Ben Clymer | yeah, I mean who knows what they're |
| Keith Mitchell | worth. I know his his that he sold, I can't remember they sold it at auction, I can't remember what they went for |
| Keith Mitchell | , but that was the iron, right? But it was also |
| Keith Mitchell | because of Tiger. So that's kind of like the one that rings the bell. But the MP4s Mizuno was the first one I used on tour |
| Ben Clymer | . Yeah. Those are still amazing. |
| Keith Mitchell | And you still play Mizuno now? I still play Mizuno. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. And so I grew up pla |
| Keith Mitchell | ying Nike before they quit um making clubs. I played Nike my whole career. And this is I I can't I cannot say this with certainty, but I'm pretty sure that Tiger played a MP14s, MP29 sets, and then they made this the 681 Ts. I'm pretty sure they made the Souls kind of after those Mizunos. Right. And then the Nikes they made the souls after each one. So I grew up playing that old soul on in all the Nike irons. So when I was doing a bunch of testing with Mizuno, we checked all my loss and lies and bounce and the profile of the of the camber on the bottom of my on the sole of my irons. And I went back and grabbed my Nikes, and then they had an MP twenty nine in the van and we held them up and they were identical. |
| Ben Clymer | Interesting. So we now gr |
| Keith Mitchell | ind the soles of my now um Mizuno Pro 241s to match what I grew up playing with. And so they call them the KM92s, which um have the new performance of the 241s, but the original soul from the 29s. |
| Ben Clymer | How's that make you feel? |
| Keith Mitchell | Like I really need to hit it well. Yeah. Because if you gotta hit these, when you flush them, oh, they are the best. Yeah. And you know, I I playy every da. So right. I I if I don't flush if I don't flush on my job. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah, you have a problem. Yeah, I uh I'm clearly not nearly as good as you or even in the same realm, but I I do not play blades, obviously. You sho |
| Keith Mitchell | uld or should not. You |
| Keith Mitchell | should. So here's uh this |
| Ben Clymer | is interesting. And this I don't even know if your audience will care about this, but so I grew up my uncle, who's a really good golfer, gave me Ben Hogan Apex Blades when I was sixteen. And I was not good. I mean, I was like just a kid goofing around, you know. But I think playing those apex blades really made me pretty good. And like I stopped playing golf kind of like during the the heyday of Hodinki, which was like I was just too busy. I was traveling around the world building this company, so I stopped completely. And then I went in I got fitted at TrueSpec up here in the city and they put me in the Callaway Apex. I recently got fitted again, put me into T two hundreds. Um and then Adam, Scott, did this collaboration with Mira. |
| Keith Mitchell | You need to use those. So I have them. You should use 'em |
| Ben Clymer | . Really? Two re |
| Keith Mitchell | asons. Is a do I really need to have a perpetual calendar |
| Ben Clymer | on my wrist? You really don't, but it's not gonna it's not gonna impact your day the way hitting blades will versus uh a cavity back |
| Keith Mitchell | . However, are you playing for a living? |
| Ben Clymer | Uh uh no I'm not gonna So if you're not really |
| Keith Mitchell | even playing for if you're just going out there playing for fun, why not? |
| Ben Clymer | I would like to shoot a score below eighty. |
| Keith Mitchell | I understand that a blade is harder to play if for those that know a blade is a very difficult club to use because of its small sweet spot, but the reason we use them is the workability of the of the ball. Right. So I would say that you should have a fun set and you should have a competitive set. Okay. |
| Keith Mitchell | Like we have multiple watches |
| Keith Mitchell | for multiple occasions. Right. I like to have a fun set that when I'm not playing for real that I can go back and enjoy like golf. That I don't feel like I'm I care what I shoot because of my equipments from twenty years ago. R |
| Ben Clymer | ight. And it's it's |
| Keith Mitchell | it's kind of that similar thing. It's like you might have a vintage watch that you don't really ever wear. Sure. But stuff you do, you're like, man. So if you go out on a Sunday afternoon |
| Ben Clymer | , just you |
| Keith Mitchell | or something. Yeah. Just bring out the cool stuff |
| Keith Mitchell | people outside |
| Keith Mitchell | of golf collect Scotty Cameron putters for the same reason people probably collect watches that might not be a watch guy. Right. But it's also part of it's part of the thing. I'd love to get your take on that. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. But like this |
| Keith Mitchell | fairway wood that I have is way |
| Keith Mitchell | more rare than a circle tea putter. R |
| Keith Mitchell | ight. And I got it for two hundred dollars. Right. It's like |
| Keith Mitchell | , and I can use it. Yeah. |
| Ben Clymer | Look, it it's a lot of it is brand, obviously, right? It's like why I mean is is Patek that much better than than Vacheron? I I would say objectively from manufacturing perspective, probably not. I mean is Rolex that much better than than Omega? Who knows, you know? So I mean it's just like th there's so much there's so much value in brand equity of course. The Scotty thing, I I I've got a few. I don't collect them, um, but I could see myself going down that hole just 'cause like it's there's so much A you can have a lot more fun for a lot less money in putters than you can watches |
| Keith Mitchell | . Yes. Uh which is that is very true. |
| Keith Mitchell | It's like it's like tennis shoes, circle tea putters. Exactly. Watches. |
| Ben Clymer | And and then cars on top of the city. Yeah, cars after |
| Keith Mitchell | that. Yeah. Um it's uh it' |
| Ben Clymer | s it's uh again, I've got enough expensive hobbies, but I can see the putter thing be becoming a problem for sure. And then also like I as I as I mentioned I',ve got, you know, one tour level putter. It is just an it's it's like it's like a petek or a langa. I mean it's just like s or a Laurent Ferry. It's so well made and you can feel the difference when you pure it |
| Keith Mitchell | . Mm-hmm versus I'm I'm using a lab putter now |
| Ben Clymer | 'cause What do you think about those by the way? |
| Keith Mitchell | Well, I tell you what, you can hit it anywhere on the face |
| Keith Mitchell | and it feels the same, which I like some feedback. I like to know when I'm messing up. Gotcha. Gotcha. |
| Ben Clymer | I have to say, I mean, look, again, I'm not a good I'm not a great golfer, but like the lab has made a a difference it really has I mean I'm much more consistent with it for su |
| Keith Mitchell | re right and but you know back to the equipment side if it's amazing that putters are |
| Keith Mitchell | really the only thing yeah. Unless it's like a |
| Keith Mitchell | game used thing from Tiger or you know somebody else that really the collectors. But I think it's technology, right? Like putters is technol it's all about how it looks and feels and less about how it performs. So like the reason you're scared to use a blade is also I think the reason why vintage blades don't have the tra the secondary trading value that putters do. Right. Like if a driver, if I found a really cool one off prototype driver from Titleist from the 90s, it's worth not much because nobody's going to use it for the reasons that you said. So I I personally think that's that's the the the downfall, but I also think that's what makes it fun is that it's really accessible |
| Ben Clymer | . Like you can go find a |
| Keith Mitchell | really cool set of Mizuno blades and get them refurbished and have a vintage set and not worry about |
| Keith Mitchell | what you shoot and do it for a relatively cheap price. Like I |
| Keith Mitchell | just think that's that brings the watch and the golf world and kind of brings them together. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah. And it's and it's undervalued in my mind. I think the and this is probably like the least fun or sexy thing I'll say on on on air anytime soon is like I think the the reason why a lot of people don't do that. I totally get the idea of a Sunday bag is for us like we don't get to play every day. You know, and so it's like when I've I haven't played really in two months. You know, I've got a good a good group of friends that I talk about golf with literally every day, but they play even less than I do. And so it's like when you go out you, want to shoot your best score. You know, and like that is still how people like us think about. It's like you wanna break eighty, you wanna break ninety, you wanna do w whatever. But I hear you. I mean the the idea of going out I mean I've I've I've played one nine hole not match, but a little round with my friends with the with the Mirablades |
| Keith Mitchell | . And I hit him better than I thought I would, truly. |
| Keith Mitchell | And that's the thing. I want I would love to do a case study |
| Keith Mitchell | if you played four rounds with with what you thought was the coolest setup and the best looking bag. Yeah. And then played with what you thought performed the best. Yeah. And actually compare the scores. Ye |
| Ben Clymer | ah. That's what |
| Keith Mitchell | I think. I mean, really in I it might even be the other way. |
| Ben Clymer | Interesting. In in a look good, feel good mentality, you know |
| Keith Mitchell | ? Hey man. Yeah. It's the real thing |
| Ben Clymer | . We're gonna wrap it up quickly, but before we do, DreamWatch, if you had a if you |
| Keith Mitchell | oh had everything. I have a list on my phone. I d I have a I have a wants list. I have a honorable mentions list, which like it kind of some watches float between the two. Ye |
| Ben Clymer | ah. And then um |
| Keith Mitchell | you know, it's to I'll I'll answer your question, but I have to say it's changed a lot because I bought a couple G Shocks lately. Like not even the lip, like just like straight up t shocks. You know, I bought the um Nomos club that you guys |
| Ben Clymer | did when I got an |
| Keith Mitchell | marketing email in my inbox during a pro am |
| Keith Mitchell | and I bought it like on like the third f |
| Keith Mitchell | airway. That's amazing. And sent it to one of |
| Keith Mitchell | my buddies, and he bought the green one. I bought the Siena one. Yeah, so like your marketing emails work. Gre |
| Ben Clymer | at, love to hear it. Yeah, 50% open rate. I want you guys to know that. Yeah |
| Keith Mitchell | , but you know, it's it's funny because like s some watches you you know, my dream watch might change next week. Right. W |
| Ben Clymer | hat is it today? Right now right |
| Keith Mitchell | now it's it's it's two it's two Pateks. I'm gonna say one. I'm just gonna say one. What do you got? And it's changed. Okay. And this is the most recent one. And it's a I don't know. You're gonna have to fact check me on this because I don't know if it exists. Okay. Okay. But it's the 2497 and the twenty four thirty e'ights a waterproof one, right? Correct. Yeah. Screw back. I don't like the baton indexes on the twenty four thirty eight. So if there's a twenty four thirty eight out there that has the Arabic numerals and then the decimals in between, it would be that one. |
| Keith Mitchell | Just because the waterproof makes it a little bit |
| Keith Mitchell | me like not so scared about wearing it. I get it |
| Keith Mitchell | . So the 2497 |
| Keith Mitchell | is my watch. Okay. If they make a 2438 without batons and they do it with the Arabics and the decimals, it's that one. And I don't care what case material or what dial color, it's that's it. |
| Ben Clymer | That is a hyper specific response, which I really appreciate, sincerely. I was expecting 5970, which is a great watch, you know, but like that that is like a very common response to when I when I asked that that type of question, so props on that. I dunno. I don't know if that exists in a twenty four thirty eight. The the |
| Keith Mitchell | the a watch you should look up if you |
| Ben Clymer | if you don't know it already is there was a white gold twenty four ninety seven with Arabic engraved Arabic numerals. Uh that's engraved. Engraved. Uh it's like a three million dollar watch. So you know totally normal. Yeah, for you yeah |
| Keith Mitchell | , we'll I'll take two. Um but |
| Ben Clymer | it was white gold on a white gold bracelet. Uh twenty four thirty-eight without patons. I I I hate to say I don't know, but we can check that real fast and get back to you on that one |
| Keith Mitchell | . That that would be it. That would be it. That'll be it. |
| Ben Clymer | That's a that's an incredibly deep cut choice and I uh I really respect you for that |
| Keith Mitchell | . It you know it 'cause it used to be five thousand four then it went twenty four ninety nine and now it's gotten deeper in the twenty four ninety seven or twenty four thirty eight. |
| Ben Clymer | Yeah but like I you know what I'd I |
| Keith Mitchell | I would say before we close is the the closed chaptering in the twenty four ninety nines that there was a lot of sp |
| Keith Mitchell | ace between that and the in the |
| Keith Mitchell | dial where now everything is like the mar |
| Keith Mitchell | ks are coming from the edge of the case. Ye |
| Ben Clymer | ah. I mean, there was like a good me |
| Keith Mitchell | aningful yeah amount and that is so |
| Keith Mitchell | aesthetically pleasing to me for some re |
| Keith Mitchell | ason. Like the Swiss was written big |
| Keith Mitchell | and under it in the bottom. Like the one that |
| Keith Mitchell | you know Jay Z's been posting everywhere. Yeah |
| Keith Mitchell | . Like I mean, there is |
| Keith Mitchell | significant space betwe |
| Keith Mitchell | en the outside ring and then the dial and for something that really pulls a string |
| Keith Mitchell | in the twenty four um the twenty fo |
| Keith Mitchell | ur ninety seven or excuse me. |
| Keith Mitchell | Well whatever. I'm already has that. Yeah. And that's something that I've got |
| Ben Clymer | . Have you gotten into like the different marks, like the the series of the twenty four ninety nines? Like the series one, two, three, four? |
| Keith Mitchell | Yes, and the hands and the cases, yes. Have you have |
| Ben Clymer | what what's your just out of curiosity, because I feel like I actually might have an answer, which I don't get to ask that many people that might have an answer, what's your favorite series of twenty four ninety nine? |
| Keith Mitchell | I'm pretty sure it's the fourth that has the big gap in the in the |
| Ben Clymer | in the later ones. |
| Keith Mitchell | Delphine, yeah. Delphine. Yeah. Sorry. I've I've read that word a lot, but I don't think I've ever said it |
| Keith Mitchell | out loud. So fo |
| Keith Mitchell | urth series for sure. Okay, fourth series, yeah. I'm a I |
| Ben Clymer | 'm a second series guy. Okay. Uh I like the like the the big step lugs. You got a few different case makers, etc. But you know, w as you go earlier, as you might imagine, you get like multiples on price and multiples on rarity. So like all 2499s are incredible. Um, but they get really expensive real fast. Uh they're amazing |
| Keith Mitchell | . Oh, they're so good. |
| Ben Clymer | If you if you haven't, uh we did a video over ten years ago on the Platum twenty four ninety nine |
| Keith Mitchell | . Dude, I've watched all your reference points as I've watched all |
| Ben Clymer | I'm so sorry. No, no, no. I apologize that I |
| Keith Mitchell | haven't watched, you know, if I've asked you a question everybody answered. Yeah. But I've watched all the all |
| Ben Clymer | the I'm glad somebody has, you know. Somebody out there. Like I |
| Keith Mitchell | said, the market emails, I bought a watch. Like, come on |
| Ben Clymer | . Keith, thank you so much for joining us. This was truly a blast. And uh, you know, we'll we'll be rooting for you out there this year. I |
| Keith Mitchell | appreciate it. This is so much fun for me. Amazing. Thank you. |