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W&W 2023 – Day 4 – Cartier, Chopard, Parmigiani, F.P. Journe, and Sinn

Published on Fri, 31 Mar 2023 15:04:23 +0000

Episode 4 was delayed due to an evening event that Hodinkee hosted with Lucid Automotive in Geneva but I got Nora, Danny, and Tony on a mic before we parted ways after the show. We get into the recent goodies from Cartier, new Alpine Eagle and LUC models from Chopard, and a whole lot more.

Synopsis

This is an AM edition of Hodinkee Radio recorded in Geneva during Watches and Wonders 2023. Host James Stacy is joined by Tony Traina, Danny Milton, and deputy editor Nora Taylor for a discussion of highlights from the show. The episode was recorded early in the morning after a late-night event with Lucid automotive, with some team members heading to the airport immediately afterward.

The team discusses numerous watch releases from the show, with extensive coverage of Cartier's offerings including the Tank Normal with vintage-inspired bracelets, Santos Dumont models in various sizes, and stone dial complications. They praise Chopard's Alpine Eagle line, particularly the XPS 41 in Lucent steel with an LUC movement and salmon dial, as well as the return of the LUC 1860 dress watch in steel. Parmigiani receives attention for gaining momentum as a brand, with particular focus on their GMT chronograph and Tonda Flying Tourbillon in platinum.

The group also covers more esoteric pieces, including Journe's technically impressive Francis Ford Coppola automaton watch that tells time through finger positions on a mechanical hand (priced near $900,000), Grönefeld's new chronograph in tantalum, and Sinn's new T50 titanium diver, which James particularly enjoyed. Throughout the conversation, the team emphasizes the value of seeing independent watchmakers in person and notes the continued evolution of brands finding their stride in the post-pandemic watch world.

Transcript

Speaker
James Stacy Hello and welcome to an AM edition of Hodinki Radio. I'm your host, James Stacy. I'm joined today by Tony Traina. Hey James, thanks for having me on your show. No problem. Danny Milton. Yep. Six. Great. And an extra special guest, deputy editor Nora Taylor. Thanks for having me, James. Oh, it's an absolute pleasure. We did an event last night with Lucid, the automotive company here in Geneva's. That's why the show is probably like twelve to fifteen hours late, something like that. You have my apologies. It was a great event. We got to see some really cool cars and chat with some people and obviously there's some great watches. So if you're listening to this like imminently, like when it comes out or close to, expect a pretty fun photo report from the event as well. Uh Mark and myself were shooting, so we should have some usable sort of fun stuff. And and we saw some some pretty fun watches there, but I'll leave uh some of those surprises to the light hitters too. Light hitters too. There's a cool really cool swatch. Very very light. Exactly. Yeah. It's in the photo report It's a weird energy for this one. It's it's pretty early in the morning. Um Danny and I are heading to the airport alm alostm directly. Uh Nora lives in Geneva now. And uh and Tony's here for another day to do some fun stuff that you'll hear about soon enough. Obviously we're in a collective strange mood, kinda giggly kind, of kind of wondering, you know, w why we didn't find a way to do this yesterday. Last night, yep. But there are watches to talk about. We did see some really solid stuff over the last uh couple days that hasn't made it to the show. You guys want to start with like Cartier? I didn't get to go to that. It was a but apparently they had like m well one or two new watches. Yeah, or sixty-five new wat
Danny Milton ches. It was a watch a minute if somebody was somebody was counting in that meeting. This is like the Tony Traina show. He was wearing he was the only one wearing a Cartier in the room and they just were feeding them to him by the trayload. The old song and dance
Tony Traina . They brought it they brought the trays straight to me first. It was it was beautiful. I ate them all up and then there were some leftovers for Danny and Nora. Just a few bracelet lengths and not much more No, but Cardio did a lot of great stuff this year. I think they've really hit their stride. They do, you know, everything from commercial consumer type stuff like the Tank American, they updated. It looks really nice. It looks refined, enthusiast type stuff like the tank normal that I think a lot of people are going to be really excited about. I was really excited about it. The there's limited editions with straps and then these beautiful seven-link bracelets that are a real callback to sort of vintage Cartier bracelets. So it's really cool to see them referencing their history like that and doing it in such a beautiful way. And then the last 20 minutes or so of the appointment was dedicated to just some of the craziest watches and diamond mashups that that I think we've ever seen. Which one did you like better on the tank normal, Tony? The uh the vintage inspired bracelet or on strap? I'd have to look again at the the price differences. The bracelet's beautiful and you don't see Cartier putting bracelets on their tanks that much, so it's really cool to see that. I think they're also uh a a decent multiple more expensive than the leather straps and I would imagine most of the bracelets are are already called for. Uh are they gold and platinum? Is that what the two options? Gold and platinum for the bracelets, yeah. And they're they're really nice. Obviously, the platinum, especially people are gonna go crazy for it's something like fifty thousand euros, I wanna say. Um so it's expensive, but but man, is it a pretty watch? You and I were vibing on some Santos though too. You especially were. Yeah, I especially. I mean, they kind of it's wild to think they only kind of reintroduced the Santos Dumont in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, and they've come such a long way with it with the the stone numerals this year. Uh I think those were the ones you were really vibing with
Danny Milton . Uh I was actually those were a little too big for me. Remember that I think we decided with Cartier, were those the the large or the ek is there an extra large? I can't remember the sizing. I think the stone di
Tony Traina als are in the XL size. XL. And I think those are just a tad too big for me. Yeah, it's a little unfortunate in my opinion that they did the stone dials in the XL. It's it's a big size, especially for that watch. Uh, but the the large size they did the skeletonized with the little Alberto Santos Dumont himself kind of flying around on the micro rotor, which you you had some things to say about that one in your story. I did the intro on Monday morning and I thought it looked pretty corny to be honest with you. I also don't think his plane could be inverted. I'm not here to question the the logic of uh a mini plane on a micro rotor on a watch but sure of uh mr santos du mont but who are we that's right but it was in in person it was it was kind of cool I guess it's still not my favorite Santos in the world, Santos Dumont in the Wldor, but what is the ones from Watches and Wonders 2022, but man, I don't want to rehash that right now. We got enough going on in 2023
Danny Milton . It did feel like the the ones, the the XLs we were talking about this year were sort of um the answer to the twenty twenty two novelties everybody went crazy for, but they just weren't quite as splashy. You know, they they think they thought that the stone numerals and the matching cabuchon would be as exciting as the lacquer cases, but for me it didn't really hit quite the
Nora Taylor same. Conceptually very interesting, and like the work of the stone dials looked really great, but um they were bigger than the lacquer one, which is so not as wearable, right? I think
Danny Milton they were bigger. I feel like the and maybe Tony would know. I I remember trying on last year's and not feeling like it was that large. We'll
Tony Traina have to double check. Those were the smaller size last year. And they only brought the lacquer back this year in those skeletonized ones, I believe. It's it's blue on yellow gold. It looks nice, but those are um those are not the same thing as last year. Those were much more traditional last year. But they're gonna keep Santos Dumonting and um it it's usually pretty good. It's fun to see them kind of play with it when they've only you know, five years ago they brought it back in courts and now it's um now
Danny Milton it's everywhere. It's still nice in the courts. I mean I'm not gonna sit here and ride for court Santos Dumont, but it works. I mean if if there's any watch brand that's gonna crush it in courts, it's kind of Carti
Nora Taylor er. And they did with that mini rose gold American. The mini watches of the and the Benoit too was like those were you were vibing on mini watches. They were perfect. Yeah. Ye
Danny Milton ah. Well m uh are they actually called mini? Yeah. Mm-hmm. They were very cool. But um I also really enjoyed speaking of the normal the prevey, I guess you'd call it a twenty four hour dial, where it would be the you know, the daytime hours on the the the top display and the nighttime hours on the bottom display. Did d that tray didn't get to Tony.. Danny ate it up I was already full at that point. It's in platinum or at least it's in platinum and yellow gold. Yeah, that's right, Tony. You didn't see it. I kinda hogged it. Just burp up a tiny glass. But uh yeah, no, I really I really enjoyed that one as you were still digesting the XL Sant
James Stacy os. That's great. Yeah, I'm I'm sad to have missed that meeting. Uh you know, Cartier is something I've I've learned a lot more about, especially through what Tony's written in the last little while for us. And I've always had an appreciation for the tank, but I feel like that's like the gateway. Mm-hmm. And then it just like prisms out from there into some really interesting stuff and it man, they did have a a lot lot so of pasha
Danny Milton too. I mean not not not to not to belabor the point here, but Pasha i if when done right, kind of an interesting and compelling watch. Uh I don't I put you know we spend so much time looking at at uh at cardia in a specific form factor, but um more people are rocking the pasha in real life than than you might think. And that's all I'm gonna say about that. I'm gonna leave it at that. Bomb bomb dropped. There it is
Tony Traina . More people wearing posture than you might think. Interesting and compelling, not necessarily positive or negative adjectives. Danny play in the middle real nicely on the posture. Neither qual
James Stacy itative nor quantitative. And compelling. Quite a take, really. All right, moving on to another brand that I'm this is another one that's on the list of ones I'm bummed I missed. It just didn't work out for the schedule, but uh Chopar. Oof. You missed a good one, James. Yeah, I know. The the stuff they put out this year looks really good. I think they're really finding a stride with the Alpine Eagle. Tell me about
Danny Milton it. It was one of my favorite meetings of the year. It's you and I went to this meeting last year. It's a quiet meeting. Um, which is good because it lets people there. They let the watches shine. Take photos, let you ask questions. Exactly. They bring you into a back room and they just open boxes and there's watches that kind of knock you, knock you off your feet. Um, for me it was the the quote unquote salmon dial show part alpine eagle the XPS forty one the XPS forty one in loosened steel uh with uh small seconds uh no date um and an LUC movement. So it's the Alpine Eagle slowly going more up market, but that's also because of movement upgrade. Do you recall the price point on that? It's around twenty one or
James Stacy twenty two K. I mean look is isn't a crazy statement given that it's a twenty one thousand dollar watch or whatever, but compared to what they're going against
Danny Milton , pretty solid value. And LUC is already like an undervalued movement, especially when you consider what show part is and what it does. But man, that I I know that you and I have spoken about the thirty-six versus the forty one millimeter alpine eagle. That bracelet construction and the case, it hugs your wrist. I don't have a particularly huge wrist and that watch just wears so well. Is it in like at that point at forty one, is it a bit octoey? No, it's not anywhere near as broad as an octo. It's Octowe is the official term. Yeah, it's not octowe at all. It's far less octoe than the octo. Fair. To me, I don't know where the Alpine Eagle is going. I don't know if we have a future in front of us where all Alpine Eagles get LUC movements, but um the combination of dial finishing, the fact that they're you know, quote unquote making their own steel, the fact that they the the movement inside. It's it's a really, really compelling watch, but it wasn't the only salmon-esque piece that we saw, and Tony was sort of um in charge of the other one. Uh so
Tony Traina maybe you can tell us some more. So the movement or the watch I should say that me and a lot of other folks are excited about is Chopard finally brought back uh the original LUC 1860 that they released from the mid-90s. So they brought it back this year in a steel case salmon dial with it's actually the same movement that's in in Danny's shop um not showpard in his alpine eagle um so luc movement but this one's in the in the dress watch size and it's it's just one of my favorite watches. I wrote an article about the original caliber 196 and the original 1860 just a few weeks ago. I had no idea they were bringing it back, but it was cool to see it next to I I was with their heritage director for a little bit who had one of the original. Juan's the man. Yeah, one one of the original Cal 196s. So it was cool to put them side by side. His is in yellow gold. This was in in steel. There's some some small differences. They brushed the case a little bit. Obviously, it's in steel now and the lugs are a little bit larger, so it's like just a touch more casual than those gold, precious metal ones from the 90s, but everything about the movement that made the original one special is still there. Swan Neck Regulator, Micro Rotor, it looks beautiful. It's a Geneva seal. It's got everything you you would want from it. And they told us they're probably gonna make like a hundred of those a year. So people are pushing back on the price, $23,000, which is a lot of money for a dress watch. Uh it's the same price as the the new nineteen oh eight collection, for example, from Rolex, but you're getting probably more watchmaking in in this watch. I think you definitely are. You're you're definitely getting more watch making. Uh people are gonna be attracted to Rolex because it's Rolex, but this is gonna be a legitimately rare thing that they can't make a lot of because of the craftsmanship that goes into the movement and everything else they're doing with the cases. The the dial is guillot gold. It's absolutely beautiful. It's the same move dial maker as the the originals. So that was one of my favorite watches of the show, really. And we'll have some stories
James Stacy on both of these? Yes, we will. Coming soon. Stay tuned for those, absolutely. Yeah, like I said, it it's one of those ones where the next time I'm probably in in in the city in New York, I'm gonna see if I can swing by and take a peek at a few of these. That L E C is really hot and and I I'm still a sucker for the Alpine Eagle and Steel with the gray dial and 36, no date, but going no date into the 41 with the LUC, like they're they're finding, they're finding some speed with it. I like it. And they are these are one of these watches, kind of like what Ben was talking about with the Odysseus. Uh and it's easier to see in person than an Odysseus, so don't mind saying like find your local show par spot and swing by and check one out 'cause they're just really fun. Especially if you can find one that uh will actually fit your wrist. Yeah. That's right.
Nora Taylor Nora, you want to tell us a little bit about Parmigiani? I would love to. The GMT Rachrapan, it came out again in Rose Gold this year, I believe. Um, and then the hitter for me was there was just a uh rose gold GMT chronograph that was really wonderful. They did a uh titanium on titanium that was so impressive. K ofind an if you know, you know, wonderfully crafted bracelet, titanium bezel, which is in all of their uh tandas, I believe. And then just this gorgeous style. I think we all kind of lost our minds for a little bit. They are doing um, they did a limited edition trio of watches in different calendars. So the lunar and solar calendar, which they did released in red earlier this year, they did in platinum. Yeah. And they did, yeah. A lot of platinum. It was a platinum on platinum watch, not a titanium on titanium. And then so lunar calendar, uh Arabic calendar, and then um Gregorian calendar, all really wonderfully executed and then in a beautiful box. And it was just sort of a I think they said in the meeting that they wanted to take like the expertise of switch sm watchmaking and like use it in like open up the calend like who they're speaking to and who the audience is for the watch. Um so yeah, they're kind of in Vashron the like one thing you know you're gonna get is a beautifully crafted watch.
Danny Milton Sure. Yeah. Parmigiani this year has been one of the most talked about brands at the show, which I think is really interesting. Um I I would say last year was the year where it the brand really started to hit its stride in a broader sense to the point where you're walking around and hearing the usual suspects about what everybody was excited to see, which is your Rolex, uh, your tutor, your your langa, and now you're hearing Parmigiani, which I think is really neat. Um, but then to go into these meetings and see the watches, you get it. Um I don't typically love platinum, but I was taken by the Tonda Flying Turbulence in Platinum because it has this matte blue platinum dial. I think that's what's new about this watch for this year. I'm sure if it's like a new watch entirely, but I think it's a new dial iteration. But man, I mean I'm a sucker for a matte dial in general. Like when light just dies on a dial, I'm I'm all in. Okay. Like no sunray, nothing, no satin finish. I just want like flat. Yeah, it's just a really good execution. I'm noticing now with Parmigiani, that they're especially with the Tonda range, they have a really good sense of design and consistency, and you really understand what differentiates their watches from everyone else's. So I can see them continuing to gain popularity and I you know they're they're they're putting themselves into a small group of of of watches. I think Chopard is sort of on a similar trajectory, but Pramajiani I think is sort of leaped in terms of uh where they are in the consciousness of the the trade show crowd
James Stacy . Yeah, I would agree. You definitely hearing more about them in the last couple years, definitely since the show returned, uh, to a physical sort of uh proposition and the watches look great. It's one of those ones where like I saw them, you know, the little windows at the booth. And uh I love the GMT, you know, sucker for a GMT and it's beautiful one. And now it's part of that conversation if you start having conversations about GMTs that aren't from Rolex, right? Or Tutor, then you get into these ones that are like, oh well, I like a fifty one, sixty four A and like, well, what about the the Tom? Yeah, no, seriously. That kind of stuff it there's some cool stuff and they're they're doing a great job. Um, I want to keep moving. Let's see. Uh Nora Dani and I went to Jorn yesterday. Yeah, we did. Which was pretty fun. We got to see the uh uh Francis Ford Coppola did we ever in person. Uh there'll be a story on that at some point in the future. We got some nice photos. That's a really wild watch. Um I'll I'll leave most of the commentary, uh Danny. You were paying more attention 'cause I was taking photos, but I don't love the aesthetic, but the the technicality of what they've put together. I guess it's showing like why are we surprised? Why is this like it's not like a special thing? But it uh technically speaking, it's a very impressive watch with
Danny Milton a a uh equally impressive price type. It's ex extremelypensive. I don't mind the aesthetic only because I we had uh an amazing individual running us through the the details of that watch someone who was who knew their stuff and spared no detail, which was important for a watch like this. But to learn that what Jorn was going for in the aesthetic of this watch was steampunk, um, I found to be very compelling. Um, so for anyone who hasn't yet seen what the Francis Ford Coppola watch is, it is basically uh an automaton that tells the time via um a human hand that's in that's on the dial and there are ways to read the time based on which fingers of the hand are up and which fingers of the hand are down. Position the thumb, the finger, and it's any combination of fingers. Um I don't recall off the top of my head what combination of fingers
James Stacy . Boy if I can't use that. It's it's so good and I can't use that. I'm gonna
Danny Milton I know that in a fist it's ten o'clock. I know that if the thumb and the pinky are out, it's twelve o'clock. Um one o'clock, I think is the, thumb, maybe. Who knows? We're too poor to know. And that is a good point because this watch costs somewhere just shy of nine hundred thousand dollars pre-tax and pre-tax, um, which is well over a million when you're talking tax. But nobody buying that pays taxes. You see the movement through the dial behind the hand with the phalanges that tell the time, and there's there's a very clear mechanism for what is driving the automaton and making it work. And once you see that, and you know, when we put the story up, we'll try to describe it in great detail. It is one of those marvels of watchmaking where you're you're seeing how uh the mechanics are making any number of combinations happen to tell the time in a different in a diff
James Stacy erent way. Yeah. It's like a specialized going train that pushes one of ten cams. Exactly. Or possibly a combination of them. Each finger or thumb has a cam that puts it up or down. The my pa possibly my favorite tidbit, and this is very gen, is that currently he's the only person capable of assembling and and getting one of these ready. And so they're they're basically finding the correct candidate to be trained to make these so they'll have two people, one of which whose name is on the dial, will be able to make these watches moving forward. So I'm gonna assume they're making single digits a year, maybe very low. And on
Danny Milton ce once they train up they'll they'll they'll be doubling production on the uh Francis Ford Cobla.. Doubling production Doubling production. There were five total in the world, wasn't that? Most of the We saw uh prototype four. He
James Stacy was wearing five or three. Uh Jorn was uh because we went to his Italian, he kinda holds court there. Um pretty cool thing. This is very, very cool. Pretty cool thing. And then otherwise we saw like some dial expressions, like new dials of things like technical expressions that already existed. And then uh because we had you know it'd been a little while since we had been at Jorn, we kind of got like a tour of some fun stuff that they've done in the last couple years. Some thin minute repeaters. Eight eight or nine millimeters, yeah. Crazy. No, they do cool stuff in the oh, and finally the last thing, and this is kind of also surprising is if, you didn't follow the Francis Ford Coppola, it's an automatic. So it's based on their current automatic movement, and it's no thicker. It's insane. It's pretty nutty. It's pretty nutty. Cool piece. I hope I hope people give that story a chance I ' thinkcause the the aesthetic of the watch is polarizing. Um, you know, a hand being a hand and now it's an actual hand telling the time and that sort of thing. But isn't it based off of like the
Nora Taylor first mechanical hand, like the father of modern surgery? So there's this like looks a bit like a gauntlet. Yeah. Very like a knight's glove. Yeah, Game
James Stacy of Thronesy. But yeah. Yeah. Check that story out. I think it'll be a fun one. Tony and I went to Gronfeld and big fan of those guys, uh, Burton Tim obviously make great watches, have been partners with cool LEs in the past for Hodenke. And I I think they dropped one of their hottest watches recently this year. So it's not technically uh watches and wonders twenty or early uh late last year, but it's not technically a Watches and Wonders, but we saw the gronogra
Tony Traina ph. That's right. Zooming out for just a second, I love that independent hall. So the way the way Watches and Wonders works, there's Rolex, Chopard, Paddock on one side when you walk in, and then all of the Rechmont brands are on the other side and kind of right in the middle are a bunch of indie and smaller brands. Grona Gronfeld being one of them we also went to Chapek and Trelobe and some of those. It's all fun, it's all real fun. You you get to sit with the founder of the brand a lot of the time. So we just sat with the Gronfeld brothers for 30 minutes. They seemed exhausted by uh the show, the state of what's happening in the industry for them. They're just having trouble delivering the watches that they that they're making because there's so much demand and all these supply chain issues and all that type of stuff, which is kind of a larger theme of the show as well. But the the gronograph specifically was one of the funnest watches I saw. It's fun to just be able to play with the creation of the two brothers as they're sitting across the table. Uh they're talking about it. They're showing us their sport watches that that they made. And you flip flip the the movement over and you see prototype engraved on the dial and zero zero out of a hundred engraved on the dial. So it's the the first watches that they made and they made them for themselves and stuff like that. Um but the the Tony's smiling so much right now talking about this
James Stacy watch. Dude, this watch is gorgeous. It's just the right size. The one we saw is they're doing two versions, a group 188 in steel and twenty some odd or twenty-two or twenty in tantalum. Tantalum. And this was a tantalum. Oh wow. And it's something about seeing that they just the proportions
Tony Traina on it were just right. Yep. And then the way it works is you start and then stop and reset the chronograph and they have their regulator that kind of slows down the chronograph as it resets to kind of minimize the impact on the on the mechanism itself, which is a brilliant thing to do, obviously, but just so fun to look at it engage and then it kind of as slowing down the reset function. I I probably could have played with it all day. It was it was great. Yeah. No, a really special thing
James Stacy and and a shout out to uh the Grownfeld brothers. Good guys making cool watches and I I like I like that one quite a bit. It's always a treat because that is the the value especially of the of the indie hall is you'll see stuff that you're not like I'm not gonna see that watch maybe ever again. Maybe they'll have it when we see them next year. That's what I thought I was like, all right guys, we'll see you in a year. Like you don't you don't cross that brand that often. At least I d certainly I don't in uh in my circles. And then I think that's most of it. I would say, oh speaking speaking of my circles, I actually had a great meeting, but I I went to Time to Watches on the other side of town here and that's where Zinn I mean a lot there's a ton of brands there you could do you could definitely do a day or two kicking around. But I go specifically to see Zinn and I was really keyed up to see the T50, the new titanium smaller diver from them. And it is so good. Maybe my favorite watch I've seen the last few days, like from a reality perspective. Yeah. The w definitely the only thing recently that would challenge the extent to which I like my Pelagos 39. So it's a little bit bigger at 41 millimeters, but I don't I don't know that I necessar necessarily notice it. It's titanium. They had all the versions, including the sold-out gold bronze, which I think in imagery was ones that I liked the least. It's a special mix of bronze and gold um that's like matte finished and had then they have this like rough cut dial and they all disappeared. Apparently they sold almost immediately. They made I think three hundred of them. And on wrist this thing just rips. It's a perfect little dive watch. Really clear. No extra color. It's just black and white. And um and they're finally doing like a two-piece textile strap for years if you didn't want a bracelet or an FKM rubber strap, neither of which I don't mind Zins bracelets. I don't like FKMs for the most part. But now they have like just a simple two-piece like is it what other what some folks will call two piece NATO, which is a hilarious term. But um it's just a textile strap. It's a textile strap. And what it does is because the watch is quite thin and and not that big, it just keeps it right on your wrist, right where you want it to be. And otherwise you need if you wanted to get, say, a NATO from Zen, it was like one of those like Zulu, you know, big heavy with chunky loop sort of hardware. And you gotta do the the the James Stacy trick to make it to make it fit right. I can't none none of my tricks work on those ones. Like they're they're just there's too much bulk to it and the rest of it. But yeah, that one uh maybe more my zone uh than than yours, uh admittedly, but uh I absolutely love it. I'll have a story on it. I was super impressed by it. The price point is a little high for Zen, but they said so far that doesn't seem to be slowing down orders in any way. So maybe they're just uh working well. Uh and obviously they're still making the U fifty if you'd rather have it in steel. Again, this is I'm speaking more to the z Zinn nerds in the audience than you guys are here at the table, but the U ones have a certain hand style, a U style hand. It's like a blocky hand. And these use the UX style hands, which are a little bit more like classic dive watch, kind of MOD adjacent. Um yeah, I'll it'll be a it'll be like a a raving story of praise. I really like the watch. You shot him? Oh yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Good stuff. Got a nice uh nice loom shot in there for Chatting over all of this with maybe as many people as we can get on a Zoom. Like a comical amount of people. Yeah, we gotta see who's got microphones, is the point we're at. That's the that's literally the only limiting factor we're gonna try for. But expect some sort of a watches and wonders mega episode in the future. Thank you so much for listening. This is a day four slash five, the AM edition of Hodenky Radio. I'm James Stacy. If you enjoyed this episode, please, please tell your friends, share it around, leave a comment in the post on hodinky.com. And for anything else, everything we talked about and a whole bunch more from the show, swing by the website. Tony, Nora, Danny, thank you so much. Thanks, James. Thanks, James. Bye.